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Old 11-28-2018, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
Not mathematically possible.
I was a mid 2014 hire and the seniority calculator has me at sen #3056 at the end of 2030. That's 16.5 years and that current seniority holds group 4 CA. We have a net gain of 15 group 4 aircraft between now and 2024. That will likely drop the group 4 CA seniority. A guy hired today would be in about the same position after 15-16 years. These numbers are also based off of zero growth. I also did not account for the additional 25 787s after 2024
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Old 11-28-2018, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by redbaronahp View Post
Hey Slice. If you’re saying it’s looking like approximately 5 years for a 2018 new hire to G2 CA, then what do you think it is for G4 CA?
As another poster mentioned if you live in Memphis, and plan on staying in Memphis, it doesn't matter FedEx should be your first, second, and third choice.

The general opinion is none of the jobs is worth commuting to if you live in base for one of the competition. The only consideration is the availability of long haul w/b flying vs an airline that is only n/b flying. That's an individual decision to make. The reality is plenty of guys commute to do the w/b flying. Except for some of them they have a n/b base as a fall back option so it's not the same as commuting for your entire career.
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Old 11-28-2018, 06:35 AM
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As another poster mentioned if you live in Memphis, and plan on staying in Memphis, it doesn't matter FedEx should be your first, second, and third choice.

The general opinion is none of the jobs is worth commuting to if you live in base for one of the competition. The only consideration is the availability of long haul w/b flying vs an airline that is only n/b flying. That's an individual decision to make. The reality is plenty of guys commute to do the w/b flying. Except for some of them they have a n/b base as a fall back option so it's not the same as commuting for your entire career.

American, Delta, United, Southwest, FedEx, UPS are all top tier jobs. If you live in the base of one of them it's not worth commuting to a different one, unless you've already built some seniority.
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:05 AM
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Those are management pilots/check airmen. Bottom non special slot Group 4 CA is around 3000 on the seniority list.


Some of the junior group 4 captains were awarded it out of seniority bc LUS was guaranteed a certain number of g4 captain positions. So that bottom number may not be accurate once those protections (which i think last 5 years from SLI) go away.
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:45 AM
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Not mathematically possible.
It is for 2012-2014 hires.
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Some of the junior group 4 captains were awarded it out of seniority bc LUS was guaranteed a certain number of g4 captain positions. So that bottom number may not be accurate once those protections (which i think last 5 years from SLI) go away.
Mainline is right here. When I looked the junior WB CA LAA was 1800 ish. Those in the 3000’s were LUS protected positions.
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:07 AM
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Mainline is right here. When I looked the junior WB CA LAA was 1800 ish. Those in the 3000’s were LUS protected positions.

I think a few of those may have made it into my spreadsheet before I realized that's what they were. The new awards show the protected positions.
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Originally Posted by redbaronahp View Post
Hey Slice. If you’re saying it’s looking like approximately 5 years for a 2018 new hire to G2 CA, then what do you think it is for G4 CA?

If you're PHL based be sure and pay attention to the forced E-190 upgrades. The Q&A with the contract compliance guys said the forced upgrade will incur a 2 year seatlock. They'll probably held for a year beyond that too. The 190s are supposed to be parked by then, but things change.
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If you're PHL based be sure and pay attention to the forced E-190 upgrades. The Q&A with the contract compliance guys said the forced upgrade will incur a 2 year seatlock. They'll probably held for a year beyond that too. The 190s are supposed to be parked by then, but things change.
With, as you posted in another thread, 1000 hrs 121 or 500 mil crew airplane.
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
It is for 2012-2014 hires.
Actually movement will be quicker for folks hired after that. A 2018 hire will upgrade quicker than 2014 and definitely than 2012. Just due to the massive upswing in retirements coming up. With that said, in terms of number of pilots younger and senior to you...2012 to 2014 hires are way better off than anyone hired since then.
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