How low will it go? CA and G4 FO
11-13-2019, 04:01 PM
#211
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Originally Posted by Surprise
They will, barely. But consider that AA currently has about 1300 widebody captains, including the 767, but there’s about 1700 pilots on property age 40 or younger. Granted, not everyone will choose to do that flying, and God forbid the airline actually grows at some point, but you get the picture. I don’t know you, but I know you’re senior to me and probably about the same age, so you’re probably looking to be a widebody captain comfortably before you’re 50. I don’t foresee that for many new hires unless they’re in their very early 20s.
Last edited by Al Czervik; 11-13-2019 at 04:44 PM.
11-13-2019, 04:04 PM
#212
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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue
Thank you, This is extremely helpful. Last question, What was the approximate seniority number of the plug for G4 CA and G4 DFW CA.
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
Bottom G4 CA ~2,700
Bottom DFW G4 CA ~1900
11-13-2019, 05:12 PM
#214
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
Is WB captain before 50 the standard for making it as a WB captain? I guess I’m not going to do well by that standard.
11-13-2019, 05:52 PM
#215
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
They’d make it if there were 2,500 40 or younger. The bottom 777CA in this latest award is 2,76x. The bottom 767 CA is 5,14x.
Originally Posted by Surprise
I’m just saying. There are the golden careers and then there are platinum ones. I think the platinum guys are already on property. And the window is closing for the goldens.
Still a good career I assume?
11-13-2019, 06:02 PM
#216
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Originally Posted by FL450
Just out of curiosity.. unless AL’s chart is wrong wouldn’t someone hired today see 11,7xx pilot retire in the next 15 years? Would that not put a new hire today into a widebody captain slot by their mid 40s with 0 growth and 787s replacing 767s?
Still a good career I assume?
Still a good career I assume?
11-13-2019, 06:34 PM
#217
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Pilots who started flying in the last few years do not have a clue how good they have it/will have it. I am happy for them but stop asking about making WB CPT. Who in the heck worries about crap 20 years from now. Heck might as well worry about drones/global warming making people stop wanting fly/self driving cars/SkyNet takeover while you are at it.
How about this "Will I make WB CPT before or after the skynet takeover in 20 years?".
Ask about about making NB CPT or WB FO timelines.
Rant over.
How about this "Will I make WB CPT before or after the skynet takeover in 20 years?".
Ask about about making NB CPT or WB FO timelines.
Rant over.
11-13-2019, 06:36 PM
#218
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People hired in the last year that were 20s and early 30s will have a better career than the folks hired 4-5 years ago. They'll see MUCH higher gains earlier on while spending more time in the top 1000. Their last decade will be spectacular. The other benefit for them isn't just top end retirements but it's also that the vast majority of folks hired in the past 4-5 years were also quite old with many of the flows being in their 40s and 50s. They'll see a double boost in retirement gains. There will be some that will be widebody captains in their early 40's.
Provided AA doesn't go away and automation doesn't start zapping jobs. Automation wise anything past 2030 is going to start to be suspect. I'd bet half my retirement that by 2050 we will all be single pilot domestically.
Actually a bigger issue is new entrants up ending the business. They may get lucky or they might be like the 99 hires in their early 20's, with the best career prospects since the 60's. We know how that ended.
No real way to know how it will turn out. You can just play the cards you were dealt.
Provided AA doesn't go away and automation doesn't start zapping jobs. Automation wise anything past 2030 is going to start to be suspect. I'd bet half my retirement that by 2050 we will all be single pilot domestically.
Actually a bigger issue is new entrants up ending the business. They may get lucky or they might be like the 99 hires in their early 20's, with the best career prospects since the 60's. We know how that ended.
No real way to know how it will turn out. You can just play the cards you were dealt.
11-13-2019, 06:37 PM
#219
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Originally Posted by AAfng
Pilots who started flying in the last few years do not have a clue how good they have it/will have it. I am happy for them but stop asking about making WB CPT. Who in the heck worries about crap 20 years from now. Heck might as well worry about drones/global warming making people stop wanting fly/self driving cars/SkyNet takeover while you are at it.
How about this "Will I make WB CPT before or after the skynet takeover in 20 years?".
Ask about about making NB CPT or WB FO timelines.
Rant over.
How about this "Will I make WB CPT before or after the skynet takeover in 20 years?".
Ask about about making NB CPT or WB FO timelines.
Rant over.
11-13-2019, 06:41 PM
#220
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Originally Posted by Name User
People hired in the last year that were 20s and early 30s will have a better career than the folks hired 4-5 years ago. They'll see MUCH higher gains earlier on while spending more time in the top 1000. Their last decade will be spectacular. The other benefit for them isn't just top end retirements but it's also that the vast majority of folks hired in the past 4-5 years were also quite old with many of the flows being in their 40s and 50s. They'll see a double boost in retirement gains. There will be some that will be widebody captains in their early 40's.
Provided AA doesn't go away and automation doesn't start zapping jobs. Automation wise anything past 2030 is going to start to be suspect. I'd bet half my retirement that by 2050 we will all be single pilot domestically.
Actually a bigger issue is new entrants up ending the business. They may get lucky or they might be like the 99 hires in their early 20's, with the best career prospects since the 60's. We know how that ended.
No real way to know how it will turn out. You can just play the cards you were dealt.
Provided AA doesn't go away and automation doesn't start zapping jobs. Automation wise anything past 2030 is going to start to be suspect. I'd bet half my retirement that by 2050 we will all be single pilot domestically.
Actually a bigger issue is new entrants up ending the business. They may get lucky or they might be like the 99 hires in their early 20's, with the best career prospects since the 60's. We know how that ended.
No real way to know how it will turn out. You can just play the cards you were dealt.
