American hiring preferences
#23
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[QUOTE=Beech Dude;2872277]
APLA put out a video not too long ago explaining that we are not in a pilot shortage but a pay shortage. according to that about 2,000 pilots seperate from the military every year ( i assume this is fixed and rotor wing, all branches)
Well I think the Air Force makes around 400 pilots a year, so the pool for all airlines should be around that, plus how many ever USN, USMC, and USA have which probably doubles that number. Just spitball here, no firm numbers.
Its closer to 800-900/year. 15 classes a year, avg about 20 per class, across 3 bases. Rumor mill says they want to up classes to 30-35 studs.
Its closer to 800-900/year. 15 classes a year, avg about 20 per class, across 3 bases. Rumor mill says they want to up classes to 30-35 studs.
#24
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[QUOTE=ps2sunvalley;2872268]Well I think the Air Force makes around 400 pilots a year, so the pool for all airlines should be around that, plus how many ever USN, USMC, and USA have which probably doubles that number. Just spitball here, no firm numbers.
The Air Force alone makes approximately 1200 per year and is looking to increase that number to 1500 in the near future.
The Air Force alone makes approximately 1200 per year and is looking to increase that number to 1500 in the near future.
#25
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[QUOTE=HiFlyer992;2872442]
Ya... 400 is not even in ballpark
A quick internet search showed that at the end of the 18 Fiscal year the AF had 21,000 pilots alone. Also, 1500 is the target by 2022 and I’m pretty sure it’s been over a 1,000 for a while. Take away Guard and Reserve who are already at the airlines, full-timers, those under commitments due to bonuses/UPT/school/etc, and those who will never go to the airlines for one reason or another, and I’d still bet a few thousand are standing on the sidelines who could apply at any time. Add in fact every year hundreds reach the end of there commitments/reach retirement and I think it’s a fallacy to believe that military hiring at the airlines is going to slow down or there is some set number in the pool. Probably the opposite as long as economy is good. In my very small bubble, even those who Had no desire to be a airline pilot are starting to stick their toes in the pool. And that is just the AF.
Just my opinion so take it for what it’s worth
Well I think the Air Force makes around 400 pilots a year, so the pool for all airlines should be around that, plus how many ever USN, USMC, and USA have which probably doubles that number. Just spitball here, no firm numbers.
The Air Force alone makes approximately 1200 per year and is looking to increase that number to 1500 in the near future.
The Air Force alone makes approximately 1200 per year and is looking to increase that number to 1500 in the near future.
A quick internet search showed that at the end of the 18 Fiscal year the AF had 21,000 pilots alone. Also, 1500 is the target by 2022 and I’m pretty sure it’s been over a 1,000 for a while. Take away Guard and Reserve who are already at the airlines, full-timers, those under commitments due to bonuses/UPT/school/etc, and those who will never go to the airlines for one reason or another, and I’d still bet a few thousand are standing on the sidelines who could apply at any time. Add in fact every year hundreds reach the end of there commitments/reach retirement and I think it’s a fallacy to believe that military hiring at the airlines is going to slow down or there is some set number in the pool. Probably the opposite as long as economy is good. In my very small bubble, even those who Had no desire to be a airline pilot are starting to stick their toes in the pool. And that is just the AF.
Just my opinion so take it for what it’s worth
#27
The flow isn’t about filling seats at mainline. It’s about keeping costs at the regionals low and attracting a steady supply of applicants. There are a lot of savings to be realized by having WO regionals / flow programs.
It isn’t as if they are giving their WO pilots a class at AA out of the kindness of their hearts. It’s purely a financial decision for them. While I personally don’t have many big complaints about my time at the WO I work at, generally speaking our contracts / pay / QOL are behind what other regionals are paying. No one comes to and stays at the WOs because they’re the best regionals. We’re mostly here for the flow. If the flow goes away so will many of AA’s WO regional pilots.
#28
While that is definitely a trend, there's much more to the story than that. Just having family member at AA isn't the end of the story, it involves a ton of networking and prep that many at the regionals write off as nepotism. Meanwhile, they devote zero time to their apps and networking while wondering why they haven't gotten a call. Some with parents at AA have even received the call and got turned down for one reason or another. Others never get the call at all.
More power to them mind you. It is what it is and I would take the same opportunity as well had I been in their shoes, but I can't ignore the details that I know about with regards to the circumstances some of these individuals were hired under and just pretend that they weren't effectively gifted their opportunity. Such is life.
#29
I personally know a handful of people who were hired at AA exactly because of mom/dad pulling strings for them, and said people would otherwise not have been even remotely close to competitive with the average civilian OTS hire.
More power to them mind you. It is what it is and I would take the same opportunity as well had I been in their shoes, but I can't ignore the details that I know about with regards to the circumstances some of these individuals were hired under and just pretend that they weren't effectively gifted their opportunity. Such is life.
More power to them mind you. It is what it is and I would take the same opportunity as well had I been in their shoes, but I can't ignore the details that I know about with regards to the circumstances some of these individuals were hired under and just pretend that they weren't effectively gifted their opportunity. Such is life.
#30
And I know an LCA who’s dad was a former Chief at USAir. He had an interview with AA and also had a job offer from Delta at that time. Only place he ever really wanted to work was AA. You know what they basically told him in the interview? “If you want to go to AA you should wait to flow.” Spoiler alert he went to Delta.
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