Republic Airline Unilateral JS Action
#201
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
If for whatever reason the flight gets full we have to cancel our AAC listing and make a D6 listing for the JS. We have to choose. Sometimes we end up behind say a JetBlue or Spirit or Delta pilot because they checked in D6 first. We do not get priority over OAL JS on AA / WO metal.
However an AA and WO pilot did get priority over an OAL JS on YX metal. All we did was make it truly reciprocal and we are asking you to list D6 so we can go by Time Of Check In at the gate. You are now on the same level YX pilots are on AA metal. It means zero to us that you feel AA paid for the flight just like it means zero to you that we support AA through our AE flying. AA / WO pilots are equal to OAL JS on YX metal. Tit for tat. If you feel reciprocity is a jumpseat war perhaps you should check yourself and realize all the non wholly owned FFD carriers have been living with this for years and all our attempts to work with APA / ALPA have fallen on deaf ears. Not a single YX pilot has suggested leaving behind any AA or WO pilot yet we have had at least one YX pilot so far threatened by an AA CA to be left behind if he had to ride the JS.
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#202
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Position: Jumpseat
Posts: 92
Or we have a better solution, ask your js committee to add AAC fdj that way we get priority over oal on AA/won metal and you guys get priority on us after Republic pilots. We each win. I’m not sure why some people on here can’t see that’s the best solution.
#203
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 58
I’ll spell it out again. It’s NOT reciprocal if we cannot list as D6’s. We are therefore BELOW you and every other D6 on the list. That is NOT reciprocal. I’m all for allowing us to self list as D6’s, then it truly would be reciprocal.
What is it with so many of you who need to resort to personal attacks, anyway? Can’t participate in a civil discussion without getting personal?
What is it with so many of you who need to resort to personal attacks, anyway? Can’t participate in a civil discussion without getting personal?
You can you just don’t want to.
#204
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 774
Why do we have to also be a D6? Its RAH, then everybody else, shouldn't matter if we're D1,D2,D3,D4,D5, or D6?
RAH 1st, then checkin time, the "D" shouldn't matter.
#205
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,533
I have YEARS (almost 3 decades worth) of being denied by gate agents. “Sorry, I don’t have time for that...”🙄
#206
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 58
Sounds like you better get good at getting them to or just start complaining to your Company to give them 3rd place on AA flights not operated by RAH then life would return to normal.
#207
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 571
I believe you are confusing nonrev priority vs jumpseat priority. We are forced to list AAC for a seat in the cabin. This puts us behind D2 and ahead of D3 on AA and WO / Non wholly owned flights unless it is our own metal.
If for whatever reason the flight gets full we have to cancel our AAC listing and make a D6 listing for the JS. We have to choose. Sometimes we end up behind say a JetBlue or Spirit or Delta pilot because they checked in D6 first. We do not get priority over OAL JS on AA / WO metal.
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If for whatever reason the flight gets full we have to cancel our AAC listing and make a D6 listing for the JS. We have to choose. Sometimes we end up behind say a JetBlue or Spirit or Delta pilot because they checked in D6 first. We do not get priority over OAL JS on AA / WO metal.
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#208
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
Not trying to be snarky, but wouldn’t you make your life easier by not bothering with the whole “AAC” thing and just listing for the jumpseat? Unless you’re brand new to the industry, you know the flight’s gonna be full and you’re not gonna get on as a non-rev. The only thing I even use the non-rev listing tool for is to look at the standby list. If I see a FDJ listing, I know I’m not getting on that flight and move on to plan b or c or whatever. It literally saves me from wasting my time dragging my butt across ORD or LAX for a flight I have no chance of making.
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#209
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Joined APC: May 2017
Position: Guppy
Posts: 761
Not trying to be snarky, but wouldn’t you make your life easier by not bothering with the whole “AAC” thing and just listing for the jumpseat? Unless you’re brand new to the industry, you know the flight’s gonna be full and you’re not gonna get on as a non-rev. The only thing I even use the non-rev listing tool for is to look at the standby list. If I see a FDJ listing, I know I’m not getting on that flight and move on to plan b or c or whatever. It literally saves me from wasting my time dragging my butt across ORD or LAX for a flight I have no chance of making.
I've had to jumpseat on AA once in dozens of nonrev flights on them. Never missed a flight. And I'm not exactly going to podunk places.
Your perception of reality is really warped and jaded. Perhaps by personal experience, but it doesn't change that non-revving is nowhere near as difficult as you're making it out to be.
And when it does get close, yes, we have a choice to make. And it shouldn't need to be that way.
If you don't want to help, that's your prerogative. But how miserable it must be to sh*t on those of us trying to make things better for our pilot group.
#210
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,470
Weird. I'm on a flight right now with 95 open seats. I've missed business class internationally on exactly one long haul flight.
I've had to jumpseat on AA once in dozens of nonrev flights on them. Never missed a flight. And I'm not exactly going to podunk places.
Your perception of reality is really warped and jaded. Perhaps by personal experience, but it doesn't change that non-revving is nowhere near as difficult as you're making it out to be.
And when it does get close, yes, we have a choice to make. And it shouldn't need to be that way.
If you don't want to help, that's your prerogative. But how miserable it must be to sh*t on those of us trying to make things better for our pilot group.
I've had to jumpseat on AA once in dozens of nonrev flights on them. Never missed a flight. And I'm not exactly going to podunk places.
Your perception of reality is really warped and jaded. Perhaps by personal experience, but it doesn't change that non-revving is nowhere near as difficult as you're making it out to be.
And when it does get close, yes, we have a choice to make. And it shouldn't need to be that way.
If you don't want to help, that's your prerogative. But how miserable it must be to sh*t on those of us trying to make things better for our pilot group.
I went to Asia a while ago. Took me 2 days to get back as a D1. AACs were stuck for a week. My flights were oversold with 80+ people listed for a week straight. No reasonable connections either to 2 leg it.
Out of my dozens of flights, I've been on the JS maybe 75pct of the time.
This is the norm on AA non revving. It's not easy even with D1.
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