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Old 09-04-2019, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice View Post
We HAVE agreed countless times that the system is not reciprocal. Go back and read again how many times people have said that you need AAC FDJ.

We’ve simply pointed out that the remedy that’s been chosen has effectively put AA and WO pilots on a list BELOW all other pilots. That’s the rub.
You’re right people have said that and my wording should have been better. How many people such as yourself or Dera say you are effectively going to the bottom of the list or that this is a jumpseat war. That is not our intent and your company and committee have had plenty of time to address this issue. Whether they want you guys to create a D6 listing online or add AAC fdj.

You can list for D6 at the gate. Don’t blame Republic pilots that your fellow employee (or in the case of wo, your parent company) won’t list you at the gate and that your management/js committee won’t address your D6 or our aac GDI issue.
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Old 09-04-2019, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice View Post
That I don’t know. It’s a good question.
I think you do.

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You can list for D6 at the gate. Don’t blame Republic pilots that your fellow employee (or in the case of wo, your parent company) won’t list you at the gate and that your management/js committee won’t address your D6 or our aac GDI issue.
Can I get an AMEN?
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Old 09-04-2019, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
This has been my point as well. It's a dangerous game. If APA/ALPA JS reps get upset about this, APA JS MEC only has to send one email saying "please do not allow RAH on your jumpseat", and this would backfire so bad.

Yes, they should have AAC FDJ. But they are playing a dangerous game. And no, I don't know how to fix it.
If that’s what APA/ALPA wants to do, that’s their prerogative. But that will be on them. Dangerous game? What are you talking about? It’s just the jumpseat, not the end of the world. With that said if you can’t give us priority AAC fdj, whatever that reason may be, then you get to list D6 just like we do. That’s reciprocal.

You say you don’t know how to fix it but in the sentence before you literally have the answer. Dear Envoy JS chair, now that have to list D6 putting us in the same pool as an offline JSer, this may affect whether I make it to work or not. I kindly ask you to add AAC fdj for republic and that they reciprocate by honoring our AA/AE fdj.

Boom done.

With that said, I will continue to sit in the aft js for any AA/WO or any other oal to get you guys a ride to/from work. This isn’t personal, although pilots from aa/eagle and my own group have made it such (what would APC be without trolls). This really isn’t that hard guys and gals.

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Old 09-04-2019, 04:33 PM
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Nobody wants to deny jumpseats to people. Well a few deranged weirdos might get off doing it but that never helped anyone.

What is befuddling to me is how Republic guys keep insisting AA had priority. We have never had priority over any other offline jumpseater despite what that memo said. And it was that way at US as well.

Agents may have been processing it incorrectly. Even on the old WINGS site there used to be a document that stated how jumpseaters were to be processed on Eagle/non-WO'd flights. And it doesn't match that memo whatsoever.
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Old 09-04-2019, 05:51 PM
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Nobody wants to deny jumpseats to people. Well a few deranged weirdos might get off doing it but that never helped anyone.

What is befuddling to me is how Republic guys keep insisting AA had priority. We have never had priority over any other offline jumpseater despite what that memo said. And it was that way at US as well.

Agents may have been processing it incorrectly. Even on the old WINGS site there used to be a document that stated how jumpseaters were to be processed on Eagle/non-WO'd flights. And it doesn't match that memo whatsoever.
Can mainline or WO check into the jumpseat 24 hours in advance with your aa/ae fdj?
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Old 09-04-2019, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User View Post
Nobody wants to deny jumpseats to people. Well a few deranged weirdos might get off doing it but that never helped anyone.

What is befuddling to me is how Republic guys keep insisting AA had priority. We have never had priority over any other offline jumpseater despite what that memo said. And it was that way at US as well.

Agents may have been processing it incorrectly. Even on the old WINGS site there used to be a document that stated how jumpseaters were to be processed on Eagle/non-WO'd flights. And it doesn't match that memo whatsoever.
What is befuddling to me is that you can check in 24 hours in advance on AAC flights, but AA does not let us check in 24 hours before because we can only list D6. Do you see the problem here?

You are jumping to the head of the list on our flights (after us of course) but you won’t extend the ability for us to check in 24 hours in advance on AA/wo. That’s the reason you will need a D6 listing. Level playing field. If we have to make a D6 listing and check in at the gate, so do you. That is reciprocal. Or you could (as I have mentioned countless times) ask, request, demand aac fdj for us and aa/ae fdj fro you.

So, here we are. Balls in your court.
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Old 09-04-2019, 08:13 PM
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What is befuddling to me is that you can check in 24 hours in advance on AAC flights, but AA does not let us check in 24 hours before because we can only list D6. Do you see the problem here?

You are jumping to the head of the list on our flights (after us of course) but you won’t extend the ability for us to check in 24 hours in advance on AA/wo. That’s the reason you will need a D6 listing. Level playing field. If we have to make a D6 listing and check in at the gate, so do you. That is reciprocal. Or you could (as I have mentioned countless times) ask, request, demand aac fdj for us and aa/ae fdj fro you.

So, here we are. Balls in your court.
My guess is that AAL will be more willing to extend us the ability to self-list as D6 - if they do anything at all. More likely they won’t care and won’t do anything at all. They’ll leave it as is. Status Quo.

If I’ve leaned anything while working here, it’s that AAL usually could not care less about issues like this. They’ve historically shown little interest in actually helping to make employees’ lives any better than they absolutely have to.

So, nothing will change on your end, and the AA/WO pilots will skulk to the back of the bus on Republic flights, and AAL won’t care.

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Old 09-04-2019, 08:18 PM
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Can mainline or WO check into the jumpseat 24 hours in advance with your aa/ae fdj?
No - only AA can book the jumpseat on AA flights.
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Old 09-04-2019, 09:04 PM
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Moral of the story..live in base
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Old 09-04-2019, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Duchess View Post
With that said if you can’t give us priority AAC fdj, whatever that reason may be, then you get to list D6 just like we do. That’s reciprocal.
So, should every Republic pilot get AAC FDJ priority? Or just those who operate AA routes?

The big problem is that Republic pilots can contract out to any number of airlines.

Also, the key thing I think you are missing is the idea of these being “AA routes”. These are not Republic routes (or UAL/DAL routes either). I absolutely agree that you should have JS priority on your own metal, but remember that AA pilots are not “offline” in any respect as these routes are owned by our airline and we’ve made scope concessions to allow your existence on them. To let a SWA or DAL person on the JS before an AA pilot on OUR OWN ROUTES is ridiculous. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see “reciprocity” being the issue here. You want to dictate JS priority then get your own “Republic Airlines” route network and have at it. By all means, feel free to put AA pilots at the bottom of that list if you so desire.

Originally Posted by Duchess View Post
...putting us in the same pool as an offline JSer...
You ARE an offline JSer. “Online” means AAG employee. You have the option to work for an AAG-owned carrier and receive JS priority. You elected to work for Republic (a contract carrier), therefore you are “offline.”

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this may affect whether I make it to work or not.
True. It might also affect a Republic pilot’s ability to fly their UAL or DAL flight. Why should AA give some type of AAC FDJ priority code to a Republic pilot commuting on an AA bird to go fly a competitor’s route?? I could support an AAC FDJ code only for pilots commuting to work AA routes. That makes sense, but it would likely be complex to set up from an IT perspective.

Originally Posted by Duchess View Post
I kindly ask you to add AAC fdj for republic and that they reciprocate by honoring our AA/AE fdj.
So, I assume you are fighting also for SkyWest, Mesa, and Compass pilots to also have the benefit of an AAC FDJ code as well? Or, should this just be for Republic?

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This isn’t personal, although pilots from aa/eagle and my own group have made it such (what would APC be without trolls). This really isn’t that hard guys and gals.
The problem is that it is very personal for the people who actually own the routes. You want to dictate JS policy...create your own independent route network.

As a former regional guy, I never would have supported a system designed to make a mainline pilot potentially lose out on the JS on their own route (other than via the own metal rule). And, if I wanted JS priority that badly, then I would have gone to a WO carrier where I wouldn’t be considered an offline pilot.
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