Republic Airline Unilateral JS Action
#221
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Position: Jumpseat
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We HAVE agreed countless times that the system is not reciprocal. Go back and read again how many times people have said that you need AAC FDJ.
We’ve simply pointed out that the remedy that’s been chosen has effectively put AA and WO pilots on a list BELOW all other pilots. That’s the rub.
We’ve simply pointed out that the remedy that’s been chosen has effectively put AA and WO pilots on a list BELOW all other pilots. That’s the rub.
You can list for D6 at the gate. Don’t blame Republic pilots that your fellow employee (or in the case of wo, your parent company) won’t list you at the gate and that your management/js committee won’t address your D6 or our aac GDI issue.
#222
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Position: ERJ-170
Posts: 521
I think you do.
Can I get an AMEN?
Can I get an AMEN?
#223
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Position: Jumpseat
Posts: 92
This has been my point as well. It's a dangerous game. If APA/ALPA JS reps get upset about this, APA JS MEC only has to send one email saying "please do not allow RAH on your jumpseat", and this would backfire so bad.
Yes, they should have AAC FDJ. But they are playing a dangerous game. And no, I don't know how to fix it.
Yes, they should have AAC FDJ. But they are playing a dangerous game. And no, I don't know how to fix it.
You say you don’t know how to fix it but in the sentence before you literally have the answer. Dear Envoy JS chair, now that have to list D6 putting us in the same pool as an offline JSer, this may affect whether I make it to work or not. I kindly ask you to add AAC fdj for republic and that they reciprocate by honoring our AA/AE fdj.
Boom done.
With that said, I will continue to sit in the aft js for any AA/WO or any other oal to get you guys a ride to/from work. This isn’t personal, although pilots from aa/eagle and my own group have made it such (what would APC be without trolls). This really isn’t that hard guys and gals.
Last edited by Duchess; 09-04-2019 at 04:02 PM. Reason: Typo
#224
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,097
Nobody wants to deny jumpseats to people. Well a few deranged weirdos might get off doing it but that never helped anyone.
What is befuddling to me is how Republic guys keep insisting AA had priority. We have never had priority over any other offline jumpseater despite what that memo said. And it was that way at US as well.
Agents may have been processing it incorrectly. Even on the old WINGS site there used to be a document that stated how jumpseaters were to be processed on Eagle/non-WO'd flights. And it doesn't match that memo whatsoever.
What is befuddling to me is how Republic guys keep insisting AA had priority. We have never had priority over any other offline jumpseater despite what that memo said. And it was that way at US as well.
Agents may have been processing it incorrectly. Even on the old WINGS site there used to be a document that stated how jumpseaters were to be processed on Eagle/non-WO'd flights. And it doesn't match that memo whatsoever.
#225
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Position: Jumpseat
Posts: 92
Nobody wants to deny jumpseats to people. Well a few deranged weirdos might get off doing it but that never helped anyone.
What is befuddling to me is how Republic guys keep insisting AA had priority. We have never had priority over any other offline jumpseater despite what that memo said. And it was that way at US as well.
Agents may have been processing it incorrectly. Even on the old WINGS site there used to be a document that stated how jumpseaters were to be processed on Eagle/non-WO'd flights. And it doesn't match that memo whatsoever.
What is befuddling to me is how Republic guys keep insisting AA had priority. We have never had priority over any other offline jumpseater despite what that memo said. And it was that way at US as well.
Agents may have been processing it incorrectly. Even on the old WINGS site there used to be a document that stated how jumpseaters were to be processed on Eagle/non-WO'd flights. And it doesn't match that memo whatsoever.
#226
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Position: Jumpseat
Posts: 92
Nobody wants to deny jumpseats to people. Well a few deranged weirdos might get off doing it but that never helped anyone.
What is befuddling to me is how Republic guys keep insisting AA had priority. We have never had priority over any other offline jumpseater despite what that memo said. And it was that way at US as well.
Agents may have been processing it incorrectly. Even on the old WINGS site there used to be a document that stated how jumpseaters were to be processed on Eagle/non-WO'd flights. And it doesn't match that memo whatsoever.
What is befuddling to me is how Republic guys keep insisting AA had priority. We have never had priority over any other offline jumpseater despite what that memo said. And it was that way at US as well.
Agents may have been processing it incorrectly. Even on the old WINGS site there used to be a document that stated how jumpseaters were to be processed on Eagle/non-WO'd flights. And it doesn't match that memo whatsoever.
You are jumping to the head of the list on our flights (after us of course) but you won’t extend the ability for us to check in 24 hours in advance on AA/wo. That’s the reason you will need a D6 listing. Level playing field. If we have to make a D6 listing and check in at the gate, so do you. That is reciprocal. Or you could (as I have mentioned countless times) ask, request, demand aac fdj for us and aa/ae fdj fro you.
So, here we are. Balls in your court.
#227
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What is befuddling to me is that you can check in 24 hours in advance on AAC flights, but AA does not let us check in 24 hours before because we can only list D6. Do you see the problem here?
You are jumping to the head of the list on our flights (after us of course) but you won’t extend the ability for us to check in 24 hours in advance on AA/wo. That’s the reason you will need a D6 listing. Level playing field. If we have to make a D6 listing and check in at the gate, so do you. That is reciprocal. Or you could (as I have mentioned countless times) ask, request, demand aac fdj for us and aa/ae fdj fro you.
So, here we are. Balls in your court.
You are jumping to the head of the list on our flights (after us of course) but you won’t extend the ability for us to check in 24 hours in advance on AA/wo. That’s the reason you will need a D6 listing. Level playing field. If we have to make a D6 listing and check in at the gate, so do you. That is reciprocal. Or you could (as I have mentioned countless times) ask, request, demand aac fdj for us and aa/ae fdj fro you.
So, here we are. Balls in your court.
If I’ve leaned anything while working here, it’s that AAL usually could not care less about issues like this. They’ve historically shown little interest in actually helping to make employees’ lives any better than they absolutely have to.
So, nothing will change on your end, and the AA/WO pilots will skulk to the back of the bus on Republic flights, and AAL won’t care.
Last edited by 450knotOffice; 09-04-2019 at 08:27 PM.
#230
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The big problem is that Republic pilots can contract out to any number of airlines.
Also, the key thing I think you are missing is the idea of these being “AA routes”. These are not Republic routes (or UAL/DAL routes either). I absolutely agree that you should have JS priority on your own metal, but remember that AA pilots are not “offline” in any respect as these routes are owned by our airline and we’ve made scope concessions to allow your existence on them. To let a SWA or DAL person on the JS before an AA pilot on OUR OWN ROUTES is ridiculous. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see “reciprocity” being the issue here. You want to dictate JS priority then get your own “Republic Airlines” route network and have at it. By all means, feel free to put AA pilots at the bottom of that list if you so desire.
You ARE an offline JSer. “Online” means AAG employee. You have the option to work for an AAG-owned carrier and receive JS priority. You elected to work for Republic (a contract carrier), therefore you are “offline.”
True. It might also affect a Republic pilot’s ability to fly their UAL or DAL flight. Why should AA give some type of AAC FDJ priority code to a Republic pilot commuting on an AA bird to go fly a competitor’s route?? I could support an AAC FDJ code only for pilots commuting to work AA routes. That makes sense, but it would likely be complex to set up from an IT perspective.
As a former regional guy, I never would have supported a system designed to make a mainline pilot potentially lose out on the JS on their own route (other than via the own metal rule). And, if I wanted JS priority that badly, then I would have gone to a WO carrier where I wouldn’t be considered an offline pilot.
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