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09-14-2019, 06:21 PM

#71

sigler

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Without going into the whole spiel... that cap would translate into how many pilots per month approximately?

09-14-2019, 06:36 PM

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go skers

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Originally Posted by sigler

Without going into the whole spiel... that cap would translate into how many pilots per month approximately?

35-40 flows per month in 2020. 45 per month for the remainder of 2019

09-14-2019, 09:10 PM

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450knotOffice

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Originally Posted by Saabs

How is a flow not a new hire? Did something change and I missed it?

They ARE. That’s my point.

09-15-2019, 05:42 AM

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Flying to Europe has a red eye at the beginning, but the break makes it not so bad I guess

The return from Europe sounds brutal with an 0200ish body clock wake up.

09-15-2019, 06:25 AM

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Pilot X

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Originally Posted by mainlineAF

The return from Europe sounds brutal with an 0200ish body clock wake up.

If you don’t have a problem sleeping the Europe flying is great. Having a 2-3 hour break of the flight back helps.

After doing 7 years of Europe coming back to domestic has been torture

09-15-2019, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by go skers

35-40 flows per month in 2020. 45 per month for the remainder of 2019

Flow is variable though. Different groups of pilots at Envoy flow at different rates. Piedmont’s probably won’t change. PSA is at 10 /month and will likely increase as it is the only one of the 3 WOs with a metric for flow that is way out of whack compared to the other 2.

09-15-2019, 08:24 AM

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thrust

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Originally Posted by Arado 234

I get excited about having to fly a redder sh!tty 4 day trip with a red-eye at the end!

Anyone seen a green trip lately? Does that still exist?

Awarded 1x 3-day and 3x 4-days this month via PBS. All but one of those touched a weekend/holiday. With TTS and TTOT was able to drop/trade all of those for shorter trips that don’t touch weekends. Progressively dropped/traded from there. Even dropped a 4-day for a weekday turn- was pretty surprised at that one. Will end up flying almost all turns. I’m not at all senior.

I’ve been surprised at how easy it is with a tiny bit of effort- I check SABRE for the N4TL and N4s maybe 2-3 times a day, a minute of time each. Granted, it’s very base/equipment/seat dependent. Living in base helps massively. And yes, we still need more control of the red/redder BS.

09-18-2019, 02:14 PM

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TangoIndiaMike1

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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice

What the hell are you talking about? Had to actually hire 1300? If they had ZERO flows, AA would have NO issues hiring 1300 off the street. None. Neither would any of the other Big 6.

With that said, the Flows only make up about half of the new people coming in here, so the rest are actually new hires (by your definition). If 1300 new bodies join us next year, then roughly 650 will be new hires - again by your definition (which is complete fantasy, btw, because last I checked, none of the pilots employed by the wholly owned carriers were actually employees of AA until (get this) they were hired by AA, so by definition, they are ALL new hires.)

You apparently have a problem with Flows, it seems.

What numbers do you have for the flow and each regional. Where did you get those numbers?

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