Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2931030)

I disagree with that.

I run into very few people who wouldn't 'make it' at a legacy. I also run into a ton of legacy pilots that are weirdos, courtesy of the mergers. Us Air, Continental, and Air Tran weren't known for their difficult hiring standards. Northwest had a flow from compass/mesaba.

Originally Posted by DoNoHarm (Post 2931010)

At our WO regional, we are losing lots of LCAs in the 6 months prior to flow to the other legacy and cargo airlines. Those that put in the effort and work hard tend to get picked up pretty quickly when they reach about 5 years on property. LCA, good flight time, clean record, and putting in a little effort with applications. All of this costs a couple thousand dollars, but means hundreds of thousands and significant improvement in QOL due to higher seniority for the next 25+ years at their legacy carrier later on. This few thousand dollars is a very, very small price to pay.

Although there are a few pilots that are great and are content to wait out the flow, the majority of the flows would NEVER get hired by a legacy. At the same time, most of the best pilots that we could send to AA are hired by Delta or FedEx (or the last dozen LCAs to get picked up by United in the last few weeks).

As you know Chrisreedrules, we are losing more senior guys to legacy airlines than we are junior pilots to places like Spirit and Allegiant.

Originally Posted by Cicada (Post 2931281)

USAir in the day was extremely difficult to be hired at. Same with Piedmont. AA had the permanent B scale, and a lot of people wouldn't be bothered with them. Who wanted to work with a pilot who sold out your entire career to a lower pay scale.

DC9 drivers at AAA were pulling down a solid 120 a yr. Piedmont was right there too. That buying power in the 1980 s was a Cadillac a month. And the pension was tops.

Originally Posted by Funkster1 (Post 2931353)

TWA and Pan Am used to be tops too. I guess you could go back to flying boats and Super Constellations.

Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB (Post 2928148)

Well based on this logic you can say almost the same thing about hiring MIL guys.
After all, what do they know about working in a unionized shop, with collective bargaining, labor vs management, etc.

They're just happy to be here and blindly follow orders from the top. I'm sure they'll take nothing.

Originally Posted by nickbvt82 (Post 2931384)

Nice ... all mil pilots have served as officers in their respective service and have experience that general aviation cannot ever give in leadership, adaptability, and have the ability to learn new things quickly. yes we are happy to be hired but to say we blindly follow orders is a fallacy.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 2931410)

the most vocal anti union pilots i have met are prior military ( and i work for a non union shop) i think the point was that there are plenty of 20 year officers who get out and still have the mentality that they are supposed to do what mgmnt says and that unions are bad ( i can think of a few i know personally who feel this way, 1 of whom recently got hired by AA) i think there is a better argument prior mil guys work against the interest of a union vs flow through. this person was replying to a dumb comment saying flow throughs work against the interest of a union.

aslo being an airline captain for a regional certanly gives some invaluable experience in leadership and dealing with challenging situations. never been in the military but ive held numerous leadership roles both in and out of aviation. military avaition is demanding and produces great skill sets like the ones you mentioned in pilots, but saying that is exclusive to military pilots is a fallacy

Originally Posted by nickbvt82 (Post 2931419)

You are right and point welL taken.. being a captain of a regional is experience no military pilot coming straight from the service will.. there are goods and others military flying.. especially Tactical aviation brings.

Back to the OP
What is the average TT flow throughs have at time of flow?.. and PIC? The OP was discussing stopping the flow.. any discussion of doing UAL type where an interview is guaranteed... just not a job . That would make a lot of sense to me. My interview at the regional ( a WO of AA) was a joke. Asked me to read a TAF and brief an approach... that was it!.. not sure if it was the same for other applicants that day with little to no PIC. At least having to do the fit assessment / face to face interview could weed out the odd balls.

Originally Posted by nickbvt82 (Post 2931419)

You are right and point welL taken.. being a captain of a regional is experience no military pilot coming straight from the service will.. there are goods and others military flying.. especially Tactical aviation brings.

Back to the OP
What is the average TT flow throughs have at time of flow?.. and PIC? The OP was discussing stopping the flow.. any discussion of doing UAL type where an interview is guaranteed... just not a job . That would make a lot of sense to me. My interview at the regional ( a WO of AA) was a joke. Asked me to read a TAF and brief an approach... that was it!.. not sure if it was the same for other applicants that day with little to no PIC. At least having to do the fit assessment / face to face interview could weed out the odd balls.

Originally Posted by nickbvt82 (Post 2931419)

You are right and point welL taken.. being a captain of a regional is experience no military pilot coming straight from the service will.. there are goods and others military flying.. especially Tactical aviation brings.

Back to the OP
What is the average TT flow throughs have at time of flow?.. and PIC? The OP was discussing stopping the flow.. any discussion of doing UAL type where an interview is guaranteed... just not a job . That would make a lot of sense to me. My interview at the regional ( a WO of AA) was a joke. Asked me to read a TAF and brief an approach... that was it!.. not sure if it was the same for other applicants that day with little to no PIC. At least having to do the fit assessment / face to face interview could weed out the odd balls.