Yes, and more than 1/2 dozen just from PSA in the first 2 months of 2020.

So prediction is there will be a increase in off street non military?

How can it be anything else? All services are already below their average historical number of authorizations due to sequestration, yet they haven’t kept even those fewer authorizations filled. Post BRAC they lack the bases, airspace, and instructors to increase training from their theoretical max of 2000 per year fixed wing pilots, and even if they had the bases, instructors, and MONEY to do it, it would be a decade before most of those people would fulfill their ADSC and be able to get out and work for the airlines.

With record high retirements from the airlines and record low military flyers becoming available in the next decade, you damn right there will be an increase in OTS non military.

The only mathematically possible way for it to be otherwise would be for the services to release more pilots from their own active duty service commitments and aggravate their own shortages and THAT ain’t going to happen. Far more likely they will go STOPLOSS to freeze people ON active duty than to release any early.

Yeah, but with what sort of stats? If they’re folks with 4000+ TT/1000-1500+ TPIC/maybe a check airman letter, then that’s virtually the usual profile of minimally competitive legacy hires. That’s maybe five years at a regional, which isn’t too different from the optimal flow time. So maybe they’re getting hired, but at about the same point that United or Delta would have looked at them.

If they’re guys who were military trained but needed currency, then they really don’t count. (Example: Eagle had a USAFA grad with KC-135 command time who spent about a year here to get current and hired outside flow.) We’ve all heard about “so and so got hired at xyz,” but gotta look at the whole picture.

Of course they are all "qualified" as we all would expect. They have 4000 hours, most are Check Airmen, etc... Exactly as you would expect. And many are getting picked up more than a year before flow.

Not sure what your point is. It just seems that AA may be pulling more from the AA WO regionals than just the flows, and much more than the 20 hired last year.

Get your hours, move up the rank, work in a position more than just line pilot, and get hired at AA well before the flow. Hard work pays off.

The point is that it is different than the hiring AA has done in the past.

Not to open this can of worms again, but just an anecdotal viewpoint. I know quite a few pilots from WOs that have been hired outside of the flow and 100% of them fall within one of two categories: LCA with other notable resume qualifiers OR Mom/dad is a captain/LCA/CP at AA.

Of those that I know hired because of their lineage to a current AA pilot, there is a surprising number of them that failed some aspect of the interview/application process or had black marks in their personnel file from the WO and were still pushed forward and hired. These same folks also would not have been competitive to be interviewed and hired off the street compared to those that normally get hired.

It is what it is and I'm working on getting up and out as well (I just wish I had a mommy or daddy CA at AA! :D)

I would expect to see the WO flows increase, especially from Envoy, over the next few years as the retirement wave keeps getting bigger.

We've just about finished up all projected growth here at good ol PSA, unless AAG starts to shuffle from MESA. Wouldn't be a bad time for a flow increase...….

I’m sure they have plenty of the off the street interest, why increase flow which costs more for the WO to train replacements? Genuinely curious not being a Jerk