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#471
I am still hopeful alot of people will take it. But too many will look at is as losing 30hrs of pay a month or more (not factoring in sick time), rather than looking at it as getting 50hrs for doing NOTHING...what freaking industry can say that?! Go and tell 10, hell 20 people at your local grocery store that you can get over $150,000(doesnt even include 401k 16%) with benefits for the next year(63yr olds) for doing absolutely nothing but sitting on your a$$ and see what the say, after their jaw closes! The sick bank payout really makes it a no brainer if you have a lot. I hope APA is doing the math for these guys and expressing what a great deal this is...but everyones sitch is different, so who knows...I say 400 take it.
#472
Pilots eat their young. I think you'll be lucky to see 200.
#473
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So how about the short-term LOA that opens up on Thursday? I assume their decision for how many VSTLOA's they allow will be based on how many VPLOA's they get. I think VSTLOA's will probably go senior and mainly to our narrowbody fleet, minus the E190. Despite the plan to park it at the end of '20, something tells me the 190 guys/gals will be very busy.
#476
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In any case where we are talking hundreds versus thousands of leave participants I can't see it making much of a difference. Short term cost cuts make sense but even if AA gets its loans/grants come Sept 1 they will have to right size the airline. All the senior folks (including myself) are flying the 777/787/330. If you park them what are you going to do with the pilots? Ive heard of domestic and Hawaii trips being flown with a dozen folks onboard. What is the logic to that? Personally I have four years left and will take a paid leave if offered. Still returning in October I doubt the situation will be much different. That leaves a huge amount of discplacements, training, and of course layoffs. Short of Force Majeure (and I don't know the legal ramifications of that) Im not sure how this will go. Another MOAB will undoubtedly have to be implemented to sort things out.
In the end I don't see how another reorganization is avoidable. That is going to be really bad...
In the end I don't see how another reorganization is avoidable. That is going to be really bad...
#477
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
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I guess we’ll find out Friday, but another factor is that it may not be strictly a pilots’ decision. 62+ as we know are most at risk from virus. How many wives, husbands, kids are telling their pilot loved ones that they need to take this deal and take it now?
#478
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
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I’m glad so many of you are optimistic about how many will take early retirement. But from the Captains I’ve flown with, all have a very short and narrow view of the next 3 years. Caveat..this is PHL and mostly ex US Airways guys who are sort of infamous for stepping over a dollar to save a penny. So hopefully common sense will prevail at the legacy AA bases.
#479
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
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I’m glad so many of you are optimistic about how many will take early retirement. But from the Captains I’ve flown with, all have a very short and narrow view of the next 3 years. Caveat..this is PHL and mostly ex US Airways guys who are sort of infamous for stepping over a dollar to save a penny. So hopefully common sense will prevail at the legacy AA bases.
#480
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,294
I’m glad so many of you are optimistic about how many will take early retirement. But from the Captains I’ve flown with, all have a very short and narrow view of the next 3 years. Caveat..this is PHL and mostly ex US Airways guys who are sort of infamous for stepping over a dollar to save a penny. So hopefully common sense will prevail at the legacy AA bases.
Feta cheese...complaining about that in your crew meal, falling on your "It's Time" lanyard, now?
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