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Old 07-16-2020, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by O2pilot View Post
They gave work rule concessions, so that's going to mitigate a few furloughs. The only airline to give concessions as far as I know. I think they are rolling the dice on the recovery. Since their debt is now more than their $2.9B market value, JB is not an attractive purchase investment for American. Which is why just code sharing with them makes more sense.
UAL and AA both have more debt than market cap. I believe Delta also has more debt than market cap.

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Old 07-16-2020, 02:43 PM
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Reduced min guarantee from 75 to 70 hrs for reserves, 90 hrs to 80 hrs for instructors. They get more days off to compensate. Allowed ALV to be reduced below 74, though min guarantee for lineholders is unchanged at 70. All this is only through April 2021, and snaps back earlier if flying returns to 80% of normal or better before then. And permitted the code share with AA, though the airline isn't growing, therefore typically prohibiting a new code share. In return, there will be no furloughs through that period and there are other smaller items that we got. It's mostly trading scheduling flexibility for no furloughs while we're all dealing with covid.
Call me crazy but this isn't bad at all. It's actually similar to what APA should be negotiating for us to mitigate (possibly eliminate) furloughs. Part time lines as well. I know tons of people that would jump all over those. There's many ways to skin this cat. We have to keep an open mind.

Reduced ALVs, reduced guarantee on RSV.. whatever. It's all rainbows compared to the unemployment line. And in the worst case..don't think recall would happen right away. It would take up to 4 years for guys towards the bottom.
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Old 07-16-2020, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by O2pilot View Post
They gave work rule concessions, so that's going to mitigate a few furloughs. The only airline to give concessions as far as I know. I think they are rolling the dice on the recovery. Since their debt is now more than their $2.9B market value, JB is not an attractive purchase investment for American. Which is why just code sharing with them makes more sense.
Not sure that market cap really matters much when discussing M&A. More of an enterprise value kinda thing.
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Old 07-16-2020, 03:58 PM
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So those JB guys are taking AA flying??!!
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Old 07-16-2020, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilotbob3 View Post
So those JB guys are taking AA flying??!!
Ha ha, No.

But for your third post, that’s quite a doozy. Welcome to Airline Pilot Central. Enjoy your stay.
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Old 07-16-2020, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by O2pilot View Post
They gave work rule concessions, so that's going to mitigate a few furloughs. The only airline to give concessions as far as I know. I think they are rolling the dice on the recovery. Since their debt is now more than their $2.9B market value, JB is not an attractive purchase investment for American. Which is why just code sharing with them makes more sense.
mmmmm yes excellent point there barb... tell me which legacy has less debt than market cap plz... exactly carry on. What a ridiculous point.
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Old 07-16-2020, 06:04 PM
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Ha ha, No.

But for your third post, that’s quite a doozy. Welcome to Airline Pilot Central. Enjoy your stay.
He’s a JetBlue guy trying to stir the pot. Same screen name on bluepilots.
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Old 07-16-2020, 06:35 PM
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Default Barrons's article on AA/JetBlue

https://www.barrons.com/articles/ame...LSIcJZE0x-LQDw

American Airlines and JetBlue Are Teaming Up. Is a Merger in the Works?

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Old 07-16-2020, 06:38 PM
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So those JB guys are taking AA flying??!!
What about Eagle flying? I know the minor leagues (regionals) may not count for much in some people’s books, but we’re all part of the AA family. Wholly owned and all. Would hate to see our little RJs replaced with Blue E190s and our pilots furloughed.

JetBlue plans to enhance service to strategic markets on the East Coast, West Coast, and in the Southeast,
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Old 07-16-2020, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FetaCheese View Post
Call me crazy but this isn't bad at all. It's actually similar to what APA should be negotiating for us to mitigate (possibly eliminate) furloughs. Part time lines as well. I know tons of people that would jump all over those. There's many ways to skin this cat. We have to keep an open mind.

Reduced ALVs, reduced guarantee on RSV.. whatever. It's all rainbows compared to the unemployment line. And in the worst case..don't think recall would happen right away. It would take up to 4 years for guys towards the bottom.
Our NC will get right on it. Oh, wait. Give our President a call and tell him what you think.
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