Blue Dude

That doesn't follow. Sure, the additional flying might help but it's not nearly enough to make a difference. If corporate travel stays depressed then it'll be very short lived. The real help was the reduction in ALV to create more lineholders, and perhaps the extension for creating no-fly lines at reduced pay. This spreads the flying around more evenly to keep headcount up, which I'm sure the company isn't a fan of, but they don't know what's going to happen with demand either. It bought our junior guys time to see how covid shapes up over the next 9 months.

I'm sorry your fleet is configured in such a way that there's no demand for a significant portion of your operation. Ours is better for part of that and we have significant presence in areas you lack. All this code share does is help each other out in extraordinary times by building itineraries that neither of us could do independently. I'm having a hard time seeing how that makes us the bad guys.

Thedude

BTL is really your bogeyman isn't it.

Dobbs18

its a win win for JB pilots and JB company. Without this potential deal would the company have been willing to play ball with your ALPA? Would JB company have agreed to the furlough mitigation deal without the need from the pilots to give on scope in order to make this deal possible? Maybe who knows, but the codeshare deal forced JB to have to play ball with your ALPA and that's obvious. It's a win so stop unzipping your pants and waving that thing around. Some AA guys are upset because we knew nothing about it and it comes on the same week 2500 WARN notices are being sent out.

R57 relay

No, not at all. I have some friends that have told me what a great resource it was for them coming into the operation where the rest of us didn't really remember what new folks needed. But at times I think it has created issues as a political movement and you have to be careful when you have a subgroup that doesn't have dissenting opinions from other subgroups. I saw that a lot from another web operation during the east/west debacle, with friends of mine buying into theories spread by like minded people that didn't have inputs from others.

During the last contract vote I flew with a guy that had is rear in a knot all the time and he kept saying "BTL this and BTL that." I told him to call his reps and asks! I suggested to him to be careful when you have a group that only has input from on group with like views. He didn't appreciate it.

I was told it had an influence on the NC debacle. Maybe, maybe not, just seeing if I could get a comment.

R57 relay

I don't have any ill will towards JB pilots or their union. Their company wanted something, they had the scope and they used it to help their pilot group. What a union should do. AA pilots were not in the same position.

Is it a bad deal for AA pilots? The bad deal was when AA and US ran from the competition in NY and BOS and had scope provisions that allowed the company to do what it wanted to in that area, without approval.

Just like the Alaska deal it will provide feed for us that we aren't going to get back in this environment. The problem is that AA could shift even more flying. What can we do about it? Do we have any power to extract any protections from our company?

Too bad we wasted two weeks with the NC debacle.

Al Czervik

couldn’t agree any more.

AllYourBaseAreB

Negotiating committee bluffed, poorly. We quit, oh wait we didn’t mean to, Oh wait you can’t accept our resignation, oh wait can we get into the new NC??? So it wasn’t the end of the world that the lawyer is now an advisor???

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

JoeyPants

Pretty sure the person you're quoting isn't a jetblue pilot. This person is just a low quality poster looking for reactions.

R57 relay

Who really won or lost? The membership that is looking for leadership, and pays the bills lost.

Stupid politics that wasted a ton of money, a ton of time and once again showed the company what we are really made of. We are left with a new, more bloated NC that still has the former chair. Do the two extra members and the highly paid attorney help our pilots that are staring down the barrel?

The president screwed up, the BOD supported his screw up.

contrails12

I didn't mean to offend, just trying to understand the logic behind the “lifeline” comment and if there was some aspect of the deal or AAs CBA that I was missing.

Not that it matters but I’ve been furloughed twice.