Originally Posted by Hedley

The irrefutable evidence shows that a cop is more far more likely to be shot by a black man, than a black man is to be shot by a cop. The determining factor in police violence isn’t race, it is how the individual conducts themselves when confronted with the law. If an individual is stopped by the police for anything from a speeding ticket, to questioning or detention for a major crime, how they behave determines how things turn out, not skin pigmentation. If you cooperate and play yes sir, no sir, there will be no problems. If you attack, resist, or flee, the results will be much different. The overwhelming majority of people, all people, shot by the police were acting in a manner that will always get you shot. Michael Brown in Ferguson is a prime example. He wasn’t walking out of Sunday services and senselessly gunned down by racist, hate filled police. He was a criminal who was being stopped after robbing a convenience store. “Hands up, don’t shoot“ never happened. When he was stopped by the police he became combative, struck an officer, and was trying to get to his weapon. I don’t care what you look like, being that stupid will get you shot. The narrative that police are targeting blacks, that black lives don’t matter, is just not true. Law abiding black people who don’t act like a fool when confronted by police have nothing to fear. Criminals (of any color) who attack, pull a gun, resist, or flee will likely see a more violent outcome. There are a few bad apples in the police department and they need to be severely dealt with, but the vast majority of police brutality or shootings is a result of stupid behavior by the person being questioned, not skin color.

Originally Posted by 55555

FBI statistics for 2018 (latest available):
Black on white murder: 514
White on black murder: 234

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls

...previous years have similar numbers.

Originally Posted by 55555

FBI statistics for 2018 (latest available):
Black on white murder: 514
White on black murder: 234

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls

...previous years have similar numbers.

Originally Posted by WhistlePig

Ok. Is that your justification for extrajudicial murder? There is a lot more data on that Table and on the rest of the link. Can you put into words what you think it says?

Originally Posted by WhistlePig

Ok. Is that your justification for extrajudicial murder? There is a lot more data on that Table and on the rest of the link. Can you put into words what you think it says?

Originally Posted by Hedley

When you look at those statistics on a per capita basis it helps to explain why there are disproportionate representations of various ethnic groups who end up having confrontations with police, or who are incarcerated. During that time period, blacks made up approximately 12% of the population, while whites made up 60%. A group who only makes up 12% of the population committed twice as many murders as a group who is 5 times larger. The reason that the percentage of black people who find themselves being confronted by the police, or put into prison is higher than their representation in society isn’t because of “systemic racism”, it is because of of a higher rate of criminal behavior.

Originally Posted by 55555

It says the problem isn’t racial, it’s cultural.

Originally Posted by WhistlePig

Not so fast. Your are taking one data point, murder by race, and it is a very incomplete one at that as the footnotes point out, and then conflating that with encounters, making the false assumption that police have violent encounters with black, unknown, and other raced people more often because this particular murder by race table says so. This table is murder only — it does not include police encounters.
And it cannot, because police don’t track how many people that kill, not by race, sex, age, anything. Journalists do that. Based on the Police Beat reporting, if they still have it. Additionally, your per capita comparison is off due to the known Unknown and Other categories not to mention the above referenced footnote.
To be clear: this table doesn’t say much useful at all except for maybe the Total number of murders in 2018. Too much is missing and I won’t speculate as to why.
What I can infer is that you posit that this Table says Black lives don’t matter to black people, so Black Lives Don’t Matter. That is what you appear to be saying. To be clear, BLM is about disparate treatment of Black people by the State, under the color of law. And that absolutely does happen.

Originally Posted by WhistlePig

So extrajudicial killing by the State is justified because of cultural differences? Please explain. (The Table doesn’t say that, the TAble doesn’t say much at all). But I’d like to hear you expand on cultural differences, as relates to the value of life for instance. Please share.

Originally Posted by WhistlePig

So extrajudicial killing by the State is justified because of cultural differences? Please explain. (The Table doesn’t say that, the TAble doesn’t say much at all). But I’d like to hear you expand on cultural differences, as relates to the value of life for instance. Please share.