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Old 09-09-2020, 07:39 AM
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That’s a very long-winded, misguided, rationalization for extrajudicial murder. Put Philando Castille through your rubric. Breonna Taylor? Tamir Rice? (Full disclosure: I ran around my neighborhood with a toy gun at age 13 and I never worried about being murdered by a cop. Can you guess what is different about me?) Forward thinking communities are responding to mental health and domestic calls with paramedic as and social workers and you know what? Citizens aren’t being killed by the State. Imagine that. A few bad apples spoil the whole bunch — if they are not dealt with by their fellow officers, then all of the officers are rotten. And, I’m sorry, there have been too many occurrences, for far too long, for your final sentence of victim blaming to hold water.
As far as officers responding to mental health calls, do you think the police asked for that mission? Nope, they got it when we de-institutionalized the mental ill, starting in the Kennedy Administration and continuing for the next 60 years. Police officers themselves will consistently say they aren't manned-trained-equipped to handle that...but they are given the mission set anyway.
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Old 09-09-2020, 08:01 AM
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BLM is an admitted marxist organization whose sole purpose is to overthrow Trump and destroy America. This is straight from the organizers. It’s common knowledge now among anyone who isn’t a fool.

Krapernick kneeling wasn’t about troops or the flag. It was a child throwing a tantrum to ruin it for everyone because he couldn’t accept the fact that he actually sucked at football. Looks like EA’s Madden hired him, though. Hope they program him with extra kneepads!
If BLM is a reaction then what caused that movement?
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Old 09-09-2020, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by acecrackshot View Post
As far as officers responding to mental health calls, do you think the police asked for that mission? Nope, they got it when we de-institutionalized the mental ill, starting in the Kennedy Administration and continuing for the next 60 years. Police officers themselves will consistently say they aren't manned-trained-equipped to handle that...but they are given the mission set anyway.
Police are not trained for that response. Redeployment of resources from traditional police to community responders that more correctly effect the needs of the community is an excellent idea. Having said that, currently they respond and citizens are being killed and that is not justifiable. Here’s the rub: Police would argue, privately of course, that they cannot be properly trained to respond to people in mental crisis as they run the risk of losing their qualified immunity defense if they hurt or kill someone. The “I was never taught how to properly deal with the situation so I killed the victim” is a valid Immunity defense. I don’t care whether they asked for the “mission” or not. If they do it, and do it improperly, they must be held accountable.
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Old 09-09-2020, 08:10 AM
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If BLM is a reaction then what caused that movement?
A generation of people constantly told they are victims and oppressed, therefore seeing it in every interaction regardless of its true of not. Nothing good comes from this constant narrative. All it accomplishes is making people become bitter and decide not to contribute to society. Would you teach you kids that they are victims and the system is rigged against them? Of course not. All it accomplishes is keeping people down by allowing them to believe they can never get ahead.
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Old 09-09-2020, 08:22 AM
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If BLM is a reaction then what caused that movement?
BLM is NOT a reaction. Please show me where I said that. I didn’t. You just desperately wanted me to. No, BLM is simply a political arm of the Democrats disguised as a civil rights movement. They hijacked George Floyd’s death and took the opportunity to fashion it into mass rioting. Only fools, or should I say “useful idiots” took the bait on BLM having anything to do with black lives.
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Old 09-09-2020, 08:29 AM
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So, how would you describe the Voting Rights Act and mountain of other legislation (often coming with significant public resources) designed to redress the issues in Urban communities?

Are you arguing that there HASN'T been over 50 years of significant attempts in both the public and private spheres to fully integrate Black Americans fully into public life? These efforts have bill payers, namely other disadvantaged populations that didn't receive these efforts. What do you say to them?
I would say they were good first steps but the work is incomplete. And they VRA only protected covered jurisdictions that demonstrated discrimination and contained laws that appeared to be facially neutral but were racist in intent and effect. And those protections, little as they were, have been gutted by the Robert’s Court. Most of America is not covered by any provision of the VRA. Further, the Fair Housing Act did absolutely nothing to address the vestiges of racial discrimination in housing availability and zoning, particularly dirty industry zoning, and Redlining. When it comes to housing zoning discrimination, I will agree that it may be the one true bipartisan issue we have — both parties have been equally culpable in its creation and perpetuation. There has never been an adequate supply of safely and properly zoned housing in this country for non-whites. Ever. Ghettos, and I use the term in the same historical context as pre-WWII Germany, don’t happen by accident.
Even today, black families know they have to “whitewash” their house if they want to sell it at market value. Shockingly, we learned this month that “whitewashing” can apply to the Appraisal as well. A Jax, FL family had their home appraised 40% lower than surrounding homes. All because there were pictures of their mixed race family on the mantle and African Art on the walls. After “whitewashing”, a fair appraisal was obtained. Needless to say, the bank corrected the error and is investigating.
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Old 09-09-2020, 08:32 AM
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You just desperately wanted me to.
Really? Where?
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BLM versus brown shirts, what's the difference in actions.
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Old 09-09-2020, 04:36 PM
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BLM versus brown shirts, what's the difference in actions.
one is completely convinced that they’re right, on the right side of history, and are actually a force for good!
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Old 09-09-2020, 05:43 PM
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one is completely convinced that they’re right, on the right side of history, and are actually a force for good!
The others were Germans who used the same tactics. Pretty good analogy
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