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09-10-2020 | 01:12 PM
#151
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There is something actually going on with examples and every year more and more people want and push for more of it, but in your fantasy land it isn’t happening so it shouldn’t be discussed. Typical...
09-10-2020 | 01:18 PM
#152
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I was wondering how many pages it would take for folks to pine for the days gone by when everything was better because people knew their place. Thirteen. I guess that’s progress. Although Seneca was very clear about his opinion on the natural order of things circa 1950-1965 many pages earlier, the chorus of agreement didn’t really hit its stride until 13.
There may have been more black-owned business then,. But that was due to the required redundancy created by Jim Crow. There were also twice as many water fountains, back entrances for non-whites, and a Green Book that was required for car travel and survival lest you end up in the wrong town after sundown. Tulsa, Oklahoma also had a thriving black community way back in the 20’s with the prospect of passing generational wealth that was unheard of — until hundreds of residents were murdered and their community reduced to ashes. If you are going to turn to history to underline your point, you owe a duty to tell the whole story. America is better now than it was a generation ago, but, regarding issues of race, it is still not good.
There may have been more black-owned business then,. But that was due to the required redundancy created by Jim Crow. There were also twice as many water fountains, back entrances for non-whites, and a Green Book that was required for car travel and survival lest you end up in the wrong town after sundown. Tulsa, Oklahoma also had a thriving black community way back in the 20’s with the prospect of passing generational wealth that was unheard of — until hundreds of residents were murdered and their community reduced to ashes. If you are going to turn to history to underline your point, you owe a duty to tell the whole story. America is better now than it was a generation ago, but, regarding issues of race, it is still not good.
09-10-2020 | 01:35 PM
#153
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Actually you couldn't be more wrong about me. I have children and my wife works. We do not go to church. The values of christianity though are universal. Be humble, respect others, don't kill, don't steal, don't lie, don't mess with another person's spouse.
Of course I don't want any such thing as a state religion. The world would be a better place though, if we just lived by these simple rules. Or do you disagree?
You trigger easily and are prone to hyperbole, this would be a much happier discussion if you could take it down a notch and debate the facts being discussed instead of attempting to make points by taking a small piece of the discussion and molding them to meet an objective.
Of course I don't want any such thing as a state religion. The world would be a better place though, if we just lived by these simple rules. Or do you disagree?
You trigger easily and are prone to hyperbole, this would be a much happier discussion if you could take it down a notch and debate the facts being discussed instead of attempting to make points by taking a small piece of the discussion and molding them to meet an objective.
Also I agree the discussion about the BLM pin should be at least related to why it exists and abuses by the state under the color of law, not religious value systems.
09-10-2020 | 01:52 PM
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When you specifically mention christian values, it’s to the express exclusion of other commonly practiced and accepted religions in America. Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, Judaism, for instance. Atheists make a very compelling argument that you don’t need a religion to be a good person. That’s not triggering, but perhaps your statement about values being exclusively christian says more than you meant it to.
Also I agree the discussion about the BLM pin should be at least related to why it exists and abuses by the state under the color of law, not religious value systems.
Also I agree the discussion about the BLM pin should be at least related to why it exists and abuses by the state under the color of law, not religious value systems.
We have to discuss the values as they relate to why black and white youth are increasingly coming to grief with law enforcement. Please do remember that from 2013 to 2019 more unarmed whites were killed by police than unarmed blacks. This points to the problem being ours rather than theirs. We all need to do whatever it takes so that we do not have to bury our sons.
All the athiests I know are fine people although I only know two, so not a good sample size.
09-10-2020 | 02:27 PM
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Sure, it's like how everyone has their own standards...
Not wanting to make this a religious argument or discussion, but just to assume that everyone "must have the same values" because they belong to a certain religion is ridiculous at it's core. People rationalize courses of action based on their perceptions and beliefs and those are not universal. No one can universally decipher/agree on the source document for that religion, not even getting into the obviously contradictions. There are thousands of denominations that can't decide on exactly what those values are. It then gets into the "true Scotsman" argument, when you point out those that don't share the same values, but are of the same religion, like gang members.
Not wanting to make this a religious argument or discussion, but just to assume that everyone "must have the same values" because they belong to a certain religion is ridiculous at it's core. People rationalize courses of action based on their perceptions and beliefs and those are not universal. No one can universally decipher/agree on the source document for that religion, not even getting into the obviously contradictions. There are thousands of denominations that can't decide on exactly what those values are. It then gets into the "true Scotsman" argument, when you point out those that don't share the same values, but are of the same religion, like gang members.
09-10-2020 | 02:33 PM
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Sure, it's like how everyone has their own standards...
Not wanting to make this a religious argument or discussion, but just to assume that everyone "must have the same values" because they belong to a certain religion is ridiculous at it's core. People rationalize courses of action based on their perceptions and beliefs and those are not universal. No one can universally decipher the source document for that religion, not even getting into obviously contradictory sections. There are thousands of denominations that can't decide on exactly what those values are. It then gets into the "true Scotsman" argument, when you point out those that don't share the same values, but are of the same religion, like gang members.
Not wanting to make this a religious argument or discussion, but just to assume that everyone "must have the same values" because they belong to a certain religion is ridiculous at it's core. People rationalize courses of action based on their perceptions and beliefs and those are not universal. No one can universally decipher the source document for that religion, not even getting into obviously contradictory sections. There are thousands of denominations that can't decide on exactly what those values are. It then gets into the "true Scotsman" argument, when you point out those that don't share the same values, but are of the same religion, like gang members.
Call them anything you want. Hell call them athiest values. They are the basic respects that we have to pay each other in order for society to stay together. If no one is taught that it isn't ok to kill someone else for no reason, or that it is ok to steal from your neighbor then the whole thing falls apart.
09-10-2020 | 02:47 PM
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Name me a federal law that does mandate whites must be hired.
politics is politics, blame your democratic elected officials for the way and what the vote and pass.
I could bec.dwrong but I actually had a real history and civics classes in public school before they were dropped to teach about pregnancy and lbgt.
politics is politics, blame your democratic elected officials for the way and what the vote and pass.
I could bec.dwrong but I actually had a real history and civics classes in public school before they were dropped to teach about pregnancy and lbgt.
09-10-2020 | 02:50 PM
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Nice editing there. I never typed that.
Call them anything you want. Hell call them athiest values. They are the basic respects that we have to pay each other in order for society to stay together. If no one is taught that it isn't ok to kill someone else for no reason, or that it is ok to steal from your neighbor then the whole thing falls apart.
Call them anything you want. Hell call them athiest values. They are the basic respects that we have to pay each other in order for society to stay together. If no one is taught that it isn't ok to kill someone else for no reason, or that it is ok to steal from your neighbor then the whole thing falls apart.
09-10-2020 | 03:06 PM
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You said the values of Christianity are universal. I say they are not. Even going with "thou shall not kill", you will find people that have all sorts of different takes on this. Some people are "never", as in not in war, not in self defense, not to end suffering, not in retaliation, not for any purpose. Some people justify it. All of them are Christians. They usually have reasons to justify their belief that are no better or worse than any others. The "value" is not standard.
09-10-2020 | 03:31 PM
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I did not say the values of Christianity are universal. I responded that most of the religions cited in the post I quoted were similar in the values they teach. I killed in the military and if I had it to do again I would have declined. We grow as we age and see things. Some very ugly things. I don't want to see any killing and I worry that the tactics of the BLM movement and the alt right will result in more of it. If every one could just take a second and realize the other guy is just as important as you things would be much better in this world.
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