Thedude86

A weakened immune system is a big reason why AIDS patients have other conditions. Most Covid patients were already in a nursing home. They didn’t get Covid first and then have to check into a nursing home and then succumb to some other disease because of Covid. Most of these people were dying anyway. The median age of someone dying from AIDS isn’t OLDER than the median age of death in general... like it is for Covid. If an AIDS patient gets murdered or commits suicide they don’t get counted as an AIDS death like they do with Covid. And yes, that LITERALLY happens. There are several state health departments that have admitted this and it’s not third party information. I have links for that as well.

All Bizniz

Whether one holds that the chicken came before the egg, or vice versa, the fact is that as with AIDS, with COVID, there is a direct relationship between the respective viruses, and the underlying condition that causes death.

I disagree with your assertion that most of the victims of COVID were dying anyways. Many had underlying conditions, BUT their conditions were being managed, and most could expect to live much longer than they did, had they not contracted the virus.

As an example, if you have a nursing home with 400 patients (most with comorbidities) and for the last 10 years, you've predictably had on average 2 patient deaths per month, and then suddenly in the era of Corona, you start to lose 15 - 20 a month after they've contracted COVID-19, I think it would be fair to say at least 13 - 18 of those deaths were Corona related. Those alarming spikes in deaths in nursing homes are LITERALLY what happened. And not to put too fine a point on this, but since they've managed to curb the infection rates in these institutions, people are back to transitioning to the other side, at rates more in line with their norms.

​​​​​​Finally, do you really believe that the numbers of murders mistakenly (my assumption since I don't believe there's a conspiracy to inflate numbers this way by doctors/public health officials) classified as Corona deaths are statistically significant to the 215,000 deaths we've had thus far? If you do, would you be kind enough to provide the data/percentage? I guess if you're able to read between the lines, you'll realize that I think it was pointless for you to even mention that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comorbidity

Thedude86

1. AIDS weakens your immune system. A lot of diseases AIDS patients get is because of their weakened immune system. The 94% of Covid patients that have on average almost 3 other comorbidities ALREADY had them.

2. Most of the victims are from nursing homes. My grandfather is currently in a nursing home. He didn’t go there to live long and prosper. I put myself in that situation. If I was 80 and a doctor told me I’m gonna die in the next few weeks or we can give you 6 months tops but millions of people will have to lose their job and thousands of businesses will have to close permanently in order to buy me 6 more months.... I’d feel like a real Richard if I didn’t ask them to just let me go.

3. For the first few months of this “pandemic” New York accounted for a third of all U.S. covid deaths. How? They along with several other states shoved THOUSANDS of Covid patients into nursing homes. You put thousands of flu patients in nursing homes and I guarantee you you’ll pump the death numbers up significantly.

4. several states I can confirm (wouldn’t be surprised if every state) count ANY death as a covid death as long as they test positive including murders, car accidents, and suicides. Because of this Dr. Birx has said the CDC numbers are inflated by at least 25%. Also, per the CDC flu deaths are counted as seasons, which typically last 4-6 months. Here we are in month 9 for Covid and we’re keeping a running total with a huge chunk of deaths caused by nursing home negligence in New York and several other states.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/newscha...cause-of-death
Illinois department of health admitting all deaths including murders and car accidents count as covid deaths if they test positive.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.col...amp/5198485002
Local station in Colorado showing they actually adjusted numbers for Covid deaths not actually related to Covid and magically the numbers went down 25%.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kin...c-cdbd43c8cd82
Washington state saying they’ve adjusted Covid deaths but also state they only removed suicides, homicides, and overdoses. Who knows what other causes they haven’t removed?


Also of note, even though these states are actually “attempting” to correct their numbers, I have not found any evidence that shows the CDC then corrects their total numbers. As far as I’ve gathered the CDC continues to keep a running tally and any adjustments the individual states make are kept to themselves.

All Bizniz

That was my point. If you have comorbidities and Corona hastens your demise, then it should be considered a Covid related death. (I'm not talking about murders, car accidents, etc)

My aunt was a nurse in 2 nursing home for 40 years and retired December 2019. I just spoke with her. She told me the great majority of patients in nursing homes are actually in there for years.

There's a wide range of age, and medical reasons why people are put in nursing homes, but the majority are certainly not dying. Many are put there because family members are unable or unwilling to deal with the issues related to their care.

Again, I am not sure where you're getting your data from, but I doubt the majority of the 215,000 US Covid-19 deaths occurred in nursing homes. Yes, the majority of Covid deaths were of people with underlying conditions, but nursing home residents are merely a subset of our country's general population, and because they are in a concentrated setting, their deaths as a percentage of their population subset would no doubt be alarming.

​​​​​As for your supposed 25% mis-clasiification of Corona deaths... What's the point you're trying to make? Are you saying there's a conspiracy to inflate the number of deaths for some nefarious reason, or are you just highlighting the broken state of our healthcare system, or what?

highfarfast

Obtuse people gonna obtuse. Sometimes intentionally.

ShyGuy

All this arguing over pre-existing deaths and if it was that cause of death or a Covid19 cause of death. There's a real simple test.


In 2017, a total of 2,813,503 resident deaths were registered in the United States

In 2018, a total of 2,839,205 resident deaths were registered in the United States

In 2019, a total of ~ 2,882,252 resident deaths were registered in the United States


A real simple test. Let 2020 end and look at the total death tally. If it ends up being 2,8xx,xxx then that means the Covid deaths were basically all the pre-existing condition folks, the equivalent of which were going to die anyway for the year. But since we already lost 216k+ people due to Covid, then for 2020 the death total should technically rise above 3 million. If it does, then you have your answer.

Personally, I think we'll end 2020 with more than 2.8 million deaths. It's a sad situation all around.

ACEssXfer

This is a simple google. 42% of US COVID deaths are from nursing homes.

That is a staggering number.

Grumpyaviator

If they’re wearing a mask aren’t they protected from my spitting? CDC has basically ruled out cross-contamination on surfaces and says transmission is aerosol.

Before Covid, people with compromised immune systems wore masks. Not their family, friends and neighbors. I don’t buy that you wearing a mask reduces my risk.

If I want to be safe I should wear a mask, not force you too. And if I’m worried about bringing it home to compromised family I should’ve taken a LOA.

I flew with one guy who wore it the whole time and he was very clear that he was all in on the social aspects of it. He was a complete virtue signaler.

I wear a mask where it’s policy, because a business or employer has the right to establish that policy. But it’s turned into a more of a social supremacy facade than a common sense practice.

Noconcessions

Way too complicated guys. As long as you have Freedom Water, the Mind Control Device is NA in the concourse and gate. I don't wear a MCD in public. Most businesses don't enforce a MCD because they want your money. All a bunch of BS to comfort the sheep.

Halon1211

You guys have pilots that wear those mask in the cockpit the whole flight?