View Poll Results: Will AA declare bankruptcy?
Yes
219
70.65%
No
91
29.35%
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Bankruptcy
07-26-2022, 08:39 PM
#1131
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,484
Originally Posted by El Peso
By the way I just want to thank you for choosing to go to Atlas and not flow. One thing we’ll agree on is that flow does get a lot of folks through with serious blemishes and skeletons in their closets. You spared us all of at least one such jack*ass that I’ll never have to fly with.
07-27-2022, 03:38 AM
#1136
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,870
Originally Posted by dera
You've never been to Tulsa? Good for you. It is pretty consistent on your PBS awards. I can even tell you the hotel you stay at if you want?
401K is way less? No, I count a 10% deduction on my salary and by my numbers, I put in 22%. Last I checked, I have higher 401K contribution than my peers at AA. This is math and you seem to suck at it.
And why do you care about 10yr CA pay? I can make WB CA pay at 5 years.
401K is way less? No, I count a 10% deduction on my salary and by my numbers, I put in 22%. Last I checked, I have higher 401K contribution than my peers at AA. This is math and you seem to suck at it.
And why do you care about 10yr CA pay? I can make WB CA pay at 5 years.
Again, did you get hired before this contract, during all the labor strife? What was the appeal?
07-27-2022, 04:03 AM
#1137
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jun 2022
Posts: 10
time to come out of lurking to remind everyone of this gem from dera:
remind yourself of this quote every time you waste time responding to him.
Cut $100k/year off the top 12+ year captain pay, and the legacy airlines could serve caviar to everyone. And the pilots would still receive an above industry average pay.
It's not just the ME3. Lufthansa serves caviar (the real stuff, not the fake american stuff) in their first class. They have a private terminal in Frankfurt, with MB/Porsche driving you to your plane after your personal assistant informs you that it is time to board. BA has a couple of private lounges for their first class/most frequent fliers.
Both airlines turn a nice profit without any unfair government handouts. Difference is - those airlines seem to want your business, US3 couldn't give a damn.
United is an embarrassment in every single way, they hate their customers, even the premium ones. US domestic transcon in first with only crackers to eat, not even for purchase. Good going, UA. (SFO-ATL redeye). AA has decent ground experience and they actually care about their frequent fliers, but their hard product just isn't competitive. DL has a comparable business class product to BA/LH, but economy is pure torture, they also hate their frequent fliers.
It's easy to blame others, but the fault is with your management and your absolutely insane pay rates for top captains. There's no reason why a 12-year captain turns 300+k a year. Every other competitor, anywhere else in the world, pays less than half, for same or better safety/punctuality.
It's not just the ME3. Lufthansa serves caviar (the real stuff, not the fake american stuff) in their first class. They have a private terminal in Frankfurt, with MB/Porsche driving you to your plane after your personal assistant informs you that it is time to board. BA has a couple of private lounges for their first class/most frequent fliers.
Both airlines turn a nice profit without any unfair government handouts. Difference is - those airlines seem to want your business, US3 couldn't give a damn.
United is an embarrassment in every single way, they hate their customers, even the premium ones. US domestic transcon in first with only crackers to eat, not even for purchase. Good going, UA. (SFO-ATL redeye). AA has decent ground experience and they actually care about their frequent fliers, but their hard product just isn't competitive. DL has a comparable business class product to BA/LH, but economy is pure torture, they also hate their frequent fliers.
It's easy to blame others, but the fault is with your management and your absolutely insane pay rates for top captains. There's no reason why a 12-year captain turns 300+k a year. Every other competitor, anywhere else in the world, pays less than half, for same or better safety/punctuality.
remind yourself of this quote every time you waste time responding to him.
07-27-2022, 05:00 AM
#1139
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,553
Originally Posted by send a check
I try not to post on here (APC) but …
But convincing anyone of anything on the Internet is for fools!! Lol!!
But convincing anyone of anything on the Internet is for fools!! Lol!!
it should perhaps be pointed out that the title of this thread (and the associated poll) is the chance of bankruptcy and of AA bankruptcy specifically. Much as some would like to derail it into comparative and competing life choices and opportunities, that wasn’t the intent of the OP when they came up with the thread nor did they intend to it be the sanctum sanctorum of only those already committed to AA. Others come here looking for advice and to look at varying opinions and hopefully benefit from a more diverse discussion of the actual economics. I realize that seniority is a driving force and confirmation bias is as well, but when every objective measurement is met by diversion or ad hominem attack it becomes obvious that person has lost their objectivity.
I’m sure most people, not already committed to a career with AA appreciate hearing objective assessments and seeing actual data.
07-27-2022, 05:05 AM
#1140
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 2,432
Originally Posted by Floy
Don't let the negativity on these forums get to your head. Take the first legacy class and don't commute.
That turns out to be the real issue in question. The first legacy class is AA in the very near future which would require a commute for the rest of my career to a company highly in debt (the true numbers and ramifications being argued here notwithstanding). Or wait for my DL CJO with no class date and metering but no commute. Or stay at the biggest regional with a super seniority and some very likely pay and QOL improvements on the horizon.
That turns out to be the real issue in question. The first legacy class is AA in the very near future which would require a commute for the rest of my career to a company highly in debt (the true numbers and ramifications being argued here notwithstanding). Or wait for my DL CJO with no class date and metering but no commute. Or stay at the biggest regional with a super seniority and some very likely pay and QOL improvements on the horizon.
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