Jumpseat Battle Brewing
05-20-2021, 07:16 AM
#531
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Originally Posted by BattMartle
Here’s the thing... we have an existing jumpseat agreement. You guys are attempting to unilaterally change the terms of it.
05-20-2021, 07:25 AM
#532
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Originally Posted by BattMartle
If you try to unilaterally change the terms of your mortgage because you think it’s unfair... they take your house. Just sayin.
Reciprocal Jumpseat Agreement.
APA isn't meeting the definition of Reciprocal. There were two options on the table. One that is Industry Standard which you all are scared of. The other which negatively affected your priority. This is on APA. We waited years to see a change for the better but now we are all OAL on each other. At least now it's reciprocal. Now it's fair
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05-20-2021, 07:37 AM
#533
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Originally Posted by magnus0322
Except it's not unilateral. Your history on this issue is clearly lacking.
Reciprocal Jumpseat Agreement.
APA isn't meeting the definition of Reciprocal. There were two options on the table. One that is Industry Standard which you all are scared of. The other which negatively affected your priority. This is on APA. We waited years to see a change for the better but now we are all OAL on each other. At least now it's reciprocal. Now it's fair
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Reciprocal Jumpseat Agreement.
APA isn't meeting the definition of Reciprocal. There were two options on the table. One that is Industry Standard which you all are scared of. The other which negatively affected your priority. This is on APA. We waited years to see a change for the better but now we are all OAL on each other. At least now it's reciprocal. Now it's fair
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it’s reciprocal as it is binding equally upon each party. What the stipulations are within has zero to do with it being a reciprocal agreement.
05-20-2021, 07:45 AM
#534
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
Change your FOM all you want. The minute you don’t take an AA guy there be hell to pay.
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05-20-2021, 08:07 AM
#535
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
it’s reciprocal as it is binding equally upon each party. What the stipulations are within has zero to do with it being a reciprocal agreement.
05-20-2021, 08:15 AM
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These guys keep using the word reciprocal and they don’t even seem to understand what it means. They have their own little tight definition of the word that fits their exact objective.
Again you guys want priority on 100% of AA flights, correct? But in return you’re offering AA pilots priority on about 50% of your flights, correct? The other 50% or so are earmarked for Delta and United pilots. Then in one breath they’ll say “well that’s a Delta branded flight, we don’t control that”. And in the next breath they’ll say “It doesn’t matter that it’s American Eagle, its a Republic flight and the Captain owns the Jumpseat”. You clearly understand that is not reciprocal but a huge windfall for you. Stop saying reciprocal because you either don’t understand the meaning of the word, or are intentionally using it incorrectly to try to further your cause. I think I know which one it is.
Again you guys want priority on 100% of AA flights, correct? But in return you’re offering AA pilots priority on about 50% of your flights, correct? The other 50% or so are earmarked for Delta and United pilots. Then in one breath they’ll say “well that’s a Delta branded flight, we don’t control that”. And in the next breath they’ll say “It doesn’t matter that it’s American Eagle, its a Republic flight and the Captain owns the Jumpseat”. You clearly understand that is not reciprocal but a huge windfall for you. Stop saying reciprocal because you either don’t understand the meaning of the word, or are intentionally using it incorrectly to try to further your cause. I think I know which one it is.
05-20-2021, 08:47 AM
#538
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Originally Posted by El Peso
These guys keep using the word reciprocal and they don’t even seem to understand what it means. They have their own little tight definition of the word that fits their exact objective.
Again you guys want priority on 100% of AA flights, correct? But in return you’re offering AA pilots priority on about 50% of your flights, correct? The other 50% or so are earmarked for Delta and United pilots. Then in one breath they’ll say “well that’s a Delta branded flight, we don’t control that”. And in the next breath they’ll say “It doesn’t matter that it’s American Eagle, its a Republic flight and the Captain owns the Jumpseat”. You clearly understand that is not reciprocal but a huge windfall for you. Stop saying reciprocal because you either don’t understand the meaning of the word, or are intentionally using it incorrectly to try to further your cause. I think I know which one it is.
Again you guys want priority on 100% of AA flights, correct? But in return you’re offering AA pilots priority on about 50% of your flights, correct? The other 50% or so are earmarked for Delta and United pilots. Then in one breath they’ll say “well that’s a Delta branded flight, we don’t control that”. And in the next breath they’ll say “It doesn’t matter that it’s American Eagle, its a Republic flight and the Captain owns the Jumpseat”. You clearly understand that is not reciprocal but a huge windfall for you. Stop saying reciprocal because you either don’t understand the meaning of the word, or are intentionally using it incorrectly to try to further your cause. I think I know which one it is.
I’ll tell you what. If the JS agreement clearly states the priority that the AA reservation system is using, I’ll join your side. If the term reciprocal in reciprocal agreement is only for binding purposes then it sounds a little redundant. I haven’t read the agreement so I don’t know the context of the term but neither do you.
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05-20-2021, 08:48 AM
#539
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Originally Posted by ElCaribe
So AA pilots no longer get priority for the JS on a RAH-AA branded flight? Ouch, this will go over well.
And why are these guys even over here picking fights? Don’t they have their own pool to swim in?
05-20-2021, 08:57 AM
#540
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Originally Posted by flyinawa
Agreed. It’s funny the RAH pilots think they somehow have AA (and APA) over the barrel on this. They can throw all the tantrums they want over what they think is fair. When AA flights get cancelled because they wanna play stupid games, they’ll win stupid prizes.
And why are these guys even over here picking fights? Don’t they have their own pool to swim in?
And why are these guys even over here picking fights? Don’t they have their own pool to swim in?
Is your view of APC to only have specific airlines stay in their own specific airline group forum?
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