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Old 02-04-2024, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by airbusflieger View Post
For anyone contemplating AA because of the attrition, be advised the peak is 2025 and 2026 (852 each year) with identical estimate retiremens based on pilots turning age 65.

Then the tapering off begins. The numbers are still good, but they start going down about 100 per year give or take.
American still has the most retirement attrition by far. "Guranteed" upward movement for someone hired today is better by a very significant margin. Delta and United fall significantly behind.
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Old 02-04-2024, 03:34 PM
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American still has the most retirement attrition by far. "Guranteed" upward movement for someone hired today is better by a very significant margin. Delta and United fall significantly behind.
It’s about 10% better movement from a retirement graph posted on APC. In order of best to worse seniority movement until retirement it’s AA then Delta, and then United in dead-last by a wide margin. That’s why the United kool-aid drinkers are attempting to claim they’ll hire more than Delta and AA (lol sure).

He probably has a kid stuck in the flow at an AA WO. Attempting to sabotage mainline hiring so in his mind AA would be forced to staple their regionals (lol good luck with that if true). Airbusflieger has probably 100 posts basically saying, “don’t come to AA”. I’m an outsider with little knowledge of AA ops and can read through his BS.

I flew with a guy at Delta who had a daughter at Endeavor and was attempting the same type of “don’t come to Delta” bashing on social media right after a potential staple was being discussed between Endeavor and Delta.

They have very similar style of posts and obviously Airbusflieger has a reason to continually post misinformation bashing his own airline.

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Old 02-04-2024, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN View Post
It’s about 10% better movement from a retirement graph posted on APC. In order of best to worse seniority movement until retirement it’s AA then Delta, and then United in dead-last by a wide margin. That’s why the United kool-aid drinkers are attempting to claim they’ll hire more than Delta and AA (lol sure).

He probably has a kid stuck in the flow at an AA WO. Attempting to sabotage mainline hiring so in his mind AA would be forced to staple their regionals (lol good luck with that if true). Airbusflieger has probably 100 posts basically saying, “don’t come to AA”. I’m an outsider with little knowledge of AA ops and can read through his BS.

I flew with a guy at Delta who had a daughter at Endeavor and was attempting the same type of “don’t come to Delta” bashing on social media right after a potential staple was being discussed between Endeavor and Delta.

They have very similar style of posts and obviously Airbusflieger has a reason to continually post misinformation bashing his own airline.
It's actually American, then United, then Delta by a wide margin. For a new hire today, 15-year progression at American will be significantly better than the other two. This switches for new hires starting around 2027, in which case the most favorable 15-year outlook becomes United. Delta will not become the most favorable place for new hires for at least a decade (purely based on retirements).
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Old 02-05-2024, 07:40 AM
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How does Southwest stack up vs American in terms of retirements?
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Old 02-05-2024, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MisterNarwhal View Post
How does Southwest stack up vs American in terms of retirements?
The SWA retirement numbers are on APC airline profiles. Feel free to look it up.

About a decade from now, they will have 500 retirements per year. For a smaller pilot group (<10,000 pilots), that isn't bad.
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Old 02-05-2024, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by airbusflieger View Post
For anyone contemplating AA because of the attrition, be advised the peak is 2025 and 2026 (852 each year) with identical estimate retiremens based on pilots turning age 65.

Then the tapering off begins. The numbers are still good, but they start going down about 100 per year give or take.
The lowest year of retirements is 323 in 2041. We don't even get close to 100/year......
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Old 02-05-2024, 04:27 PM
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The lowest year of retirements is 323 in 2041. We don't even get close to 100/year......
I think he is saying that the retirements decrease by 100 per year, not down to 100 per year.

The one thing that many people forget about is that some of our new hires are 24-25, but some are 50+ years old. Actually, the mean age per class is actually higher at AAL than UAL and DAL (partly due to flows).

The number of retirees in the next 10 years actaully increases with new hire classes. The retirement numbers for 2032, 2033, 2034 seem to be increasing when the new hire classes are updated in the system. Heck, 2039-2041 will probably be close to 500 retirements per year by the end of this years hiring.

Granted, if you are already on property, you will have pilots junior to you retiring which doesn't help much, but the overall system keeps churning and that is good for everyone. More vacancies, more training, and more opportunities.
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Old 02-07-2024, 01:57 PM
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Anyone heard back after completing the PST test recently? Jan or Feb
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Old 02-08-2024, 03:04 PM
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Anyone heard back after completing the PST test recently? Jan or Feb
Submitted 2.5 weeks ago, have not heard anything since completing PST.
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Old 02-09-2024, 04:31 PM
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Application Question:

There may be a simple answer to this, but to make sure...
"I have a current rating for this type of aircraft."

This statement next to each aircraft flown, there is a block to check, is this for a current aircarft being flown and obviously current in it?
I have type ratings for most of the aircatft listed.
Example, I have ratings in 747, 777, etc, I won't check those boxes next to those airctaft. I haven't flown either in several years...?

Is this correct?
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