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Originally Posted by Bankrupt84
(Post 4020784)
So..... for us simpletons, would it be accurate to set the seniority Calculator to 3% or is this too optimistic?
Regards Simpleton |
Originally Posted by Bankrupt84
(Post 4020784)
So..... for us simpletons, would it be accurate to set the seniority Calculator to 3% or is this too optimistic?
Regards Simpleton |
Originally Posted by Bankrupt84
(Post 4020784)
So..... for us simpletons, would it be accurate to set the seniority Calculator to 3% or is this too optimistic?
Regards Simpleton https://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/default.html |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 4022232)
I'd think it's too optimistic. It's easy enough to make a better SWAG - go to the MIT Airline Data Project, click on 'The DATA', research several airlines (I'd recommend AA/DL/UA), click on the bottom link - employee data and analysis, and figure out what the actual growth rate is. Quick estimate was AA has approx 40% more pilots today than it did 25 years ago. That's 1.6% but on an annual basis it's 1.4%.
https://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/default.html Airways had 3500 IIRC and the west was around |
Originally Posted by Name User
(Post 4022255)
In Dec 2013 how many pilot were on the active AA list (not including furloughed)?
Airways had 3500 IIRC and the west was around 500 I believe. |
Originally Posted by ps2sunvalley
(Post 4022256)
West really only had around 500 pilots going into the US/AA merger? Wild.
Looks like AA had 8500 active (not furloughed) at time of merger, so combined was 13,500 in Dec 2013. If you believe long term staffing targets of ~16000, we've "grown" 20% over 12 years. And that includes the replacing of a lot of RJs with mainline equipment, something that probably won't continue. So 1.4%, which is basically what Slice said. |
Originally Posted by Name User
(Post 4022258)
OK I was way off, total between US-E and US-W was around 5000. Maybe West had 1500?
Looks like AA had 8500 active (not furloughed) at time of merger, so combined was 13,500 in Dec 2013. If you believe long term staffing targets of ~16000, we've "grown" 20% over 12 years. And that includes the replacing of a lot of RJs with mainline equipment, something that probably won't continue. So 1.4%, which is basically what Slice said. Just showing that ASM growth, which is what Wall St and the financial people are interested in, is often greater than the pilot corps increase to create the additional ASM's. Using your 2013 end of year numbers the AA/US ASM was 232.4 billion. 13 years later it's 229.4 billion. 29%, 2.2%, or an annual increase, again, of 1.9%. It would be interesting to compare it to GDP. Years ago I think ASM growth for the industry was closer to GDP. Then, at least for the legacy airlines, it lagged, and perhaps 66% (2/3's) of GDP was the 'new' normal. With 1.9% AA's ASM growth totaled 29% over the 13 years 2013-2025. U.S. GDP was 30% higher. So the hope to relink legacy growth to GDP seems to be on track??? <amateur public math warning!! |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 4022387)
2009 AA/US/AW ASM was 222.5 billion(?). 2025 ASM's was 299.4 billion (?). 34.6% over 16 years. That's a total change of 2.2%, or 1.9% annually.
Just showing that ASM growth, which is what Wall St and the financial people are interested in, is often greater than the pilot corps increase to create the additional ASM's. Using your 2013 end of year numbers the AA/US ASM was 232.4 billion. 13 years later it's 229.4 billion. 29%, 2.2%, or an annual increase, again, of 1.9%. It would be interesting to compare it to GDP. Years ago I think ASM growth for the industry was closer to GDP. Then, at least for the legacy airlines, it lagged, and perhaps 66% (2/3's) of GDP was the 'new' normal. With 1.9% AA's ASM growth totaled 29% over the 13 years 2013-2025. U.S. GDP was 30% higher. So the hope to relink legacy growth to GDP seems to be on track??? <amateur public math warning!! |
I just flew with an FO she showed me MyFlightCareer.com they charge $5 but pretty slick… we used to have my AA career but I think he retired.
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Also found out there is a free one pilotsenority.com both have good info
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