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Old 06-30-2022, 03:23 PM
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I’m voting no. Haven’t read anything yet.
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Old 06-30-2022, 03:34 PM
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Food for thought. If profit sharing is actually on par with Delta (where it is pensionable as well) that is prob an extra 5-10% compensation over the term of the contract. Will wait for APA to weigh in, but for now sounds better than (what looks like) a concessionary mess at UAL.
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Old 06-30-2022, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dumpy View Post
Food for thought. If profit sharing is actually on par with Delta (where it is pensionable as well) that is prob an extra 5-10% compensation over the term of the contract. Will wait for APA to weigh in, but for now sounds better than (what looks like) a concessionary mess at UAL.
Have to make profit to get profit sharing. DL historically has been much better at this. And this likely won't happen during the term of the CBA.
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Old 06-30-2022, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dumpy View Post
Food for thought. If profit sharing is actually on par with Delta (where it is pensionable as well) that is prob an extra 5-10% compensation over the term of the contract. Will wait for APA to weigh in, but for now sounds better than (what looks like) a concessionary mess at UAL.
Not on par with Delta in this proposal. Details my friends. Yes they’re offering the same percentage of profits as Delta but it’s for AAG employees, not AAL employees. Delta doesn’t split their profit sharing with three wholly owned Delta Connection airlines do they? Our slice of the pie would be significantly smaller than our counter parts at Delta.
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Old 06-30-2022, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Hueypilot View Post
I've heard nothing of the sort. I have heard (rumor only) that our management is kicking around a proposal to offer that competes with the UAL TA, for whatever that's worth.
You said something there.

COMPETES with the UAL TA.

I’m sorry, but I wouldn’t want to compete nor even be close to the same league as the UAL sh*t sandwich of a TA they were proposing.
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Old 06-30-2022, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by El Peso View Post
Not on par with Delta in this proposal. Details my friends. Yes they’re offering the same percentage of profits as Delta but it’s for AAG employees, not AAL employees. Delta doesn’t split their profit sharing with three wholly owned Delta Connection airlines do they? Our slice of the pie would be significantly smaller than our counter parts at Delta.
In the benchmark year of 2019, Delta also made almost 4 times more profit than AAG. So much bigger pot to share.
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Old 06-30-2022, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
In the benchmark year of 2019, Delta also made almost 4 times more profit than AAG. So much bigger pot to share.
Correct and in 2015 AA made 7.6B while Delta made 5.9B. Those numbers will fluctuate and I completely expect them to for the rest of my career. The point is the pilot contract language should be in line with our peers. This is a cost neutral fix that AA could make right now that would greatly aid in getting a TA. Just change AAG to AAL.
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Old 06-30-2022, 04:08 PM
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Didn't see anything about retro pay..
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Old 06-30-2022, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by El Peso View Post
Correct and in 2015 AA made 7.6B while Delta made 5.9B. Those numbers will fluctuate and I completely expect them to for the rest of my career. The point is the pilot contract language should be in line with our peers. This is a cost neutral fix that AA could make right now that would greatly aid in getting a TA. Just change AAG to AAL.
The issue will be that AA wont reach these numbers during the duration of this deal. So it is a worthless gain for this cycle.
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Old 06-30-2022, 04:12 PM
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The issue will be that AA wont reach these numbers during the duration of this deal. So it is a worthless gain for this cycle.
What do you mean by the duration of the deal? It’s a two year deal but then it just becomes amendable. Are you under the impression that somehow the contract language expires and disappears when it’s amendable? Deltas contract is amendable. Their profit sharing plan is still there. What do you even mean?
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