Originally Posted by Varks (Post 3512976)

We are not close and getting further perhaps from a conclusion. The division among our pilot group at AA is perhaps our largest barrier to ever having a quality contract. We unfortunately don’t think of ourselves as one group. We are AA, USAirways. America West, TWA, Reno, above the line, below the line, LTD, Check Pilots, premium flyers, wide body,narrow body, flow through, military, BOS and ORD vs. PHL and MIA, commuters, non commuters, etc.. There is no cohesive group. We are screwed.

Other than Reserve and paid sit time I challenge AA pilots to come up with any current contract item that other Major airlines would be envious of. After infighting between the BOD and President the Alaska Proposal has been studied and obviously found to be way ahead of our AIPs. Earth to BOD you are way over your head. Not all of you but come on. You need to get this group of 15000 pilots to think alike. You are causing division and it is going to set us further behind for years to come. Someone needs to take charge and get us acting as one group.

It’s a hot mess here in AA land.

Originally Posted by Dorp (Post 3513013)

-minimum 14 days off
-positive space commuting
-guaranteed at least 4 days off minimum after a 5 day trip, 3 off after a 4 day.
-adequate reserve staffing such that ~75% of the month’s days meet or exceed a non-arbitrary reserve threshold, allowing for schedule manipulation.
-a company funded shuttle that runs between all the airports of a multi-airport base
-eliminate multi airport bases (example: EWR would require company provided ground DH from LGA at a set credit)
-Improvements to LTD
-pay rate increases obviously

feel free to add more to the above.

Originally Posted by Dorp (Post 3513013)

-minimum 14 days off
-positive space commuting
-guaranteed at least 4 days off minimum after a 5 day trip, 3 off after a 4 day.
-adequate reserve staffing such that ~75% of the month’s days meet or exceed a non-arbitrary reserve threshold, allowing for schedule manipulation.
-a company funded shuttle that runs between all the airports of a multi-airport base
-Improvements to LTD
-pay rate increases obviously

feel free to add more to the above.

Originally Posted by NotPhlying (Post 3513451)

Union holds Family Awareness Event on weekly bases. MIA event had 15 pilot attended, mostly APA reps. We can't get pilots to attend events with free food and happy booze. A lot of what we talk about on here could be asked, addressed, answer at these events. We need unity, right now we have none!! Company knows this.... 2400 pilot in Miami..... 15 attended.

Originally Posted by Varks (Post 3512976)

We are not close and getting further perhaps from a conclusion. The division among our pilot group at AA is perhaps our largest barrier to ever having a quality contract. We unfortunately don’t think of ourselves as one group. We are AA, USAirways. America West, TWA, Reno, above the line, below the line, LTD, Check Pilots, premium flyers, wide body,narrow body, flow through, military, BOS and ORD vs. PHL and MIA, commuters, non commuters, etc.. There is no cohesive group. We are screwed.

Other than Reserve and paid sit time I challenge AA pilots to come up with any current contract item that other Major airlines would be envious of. After infighting between the BOD and President the Alaska Proposal has been studied and obviously found to be way ahead of our AIPs. Earth to BOD you are way over your head. Not all of you but come on. You need to get this group of 15000 pilots to think alike. You are causing division and it is going to set us further behind for years to come. Someone needs to take charge and get us acting as one group.

It’s a hot mess here in AA land.

Originally Posted by Varks (Post 3513480)

Exactly. Too many groups too anxious about being overrun by the adversary group.

I attended a concourse conversation in Boston. Asked by BOS chair if I was legacy AA and what I thought about my reps. Didn’t care what my concerns were. After telling him I liked my reps he left me. No offer of food, nothing. He came off as a real jerk.

Why would I attend a meeting where I will be ignored and unliked. Free food and beer is dumb.

There is zero unity. Just think of the selfish pilots signing up to be Check Pilots when the Union clearly told them not to. Too bad for those selfish pilots are going to suffer under the old Check Pilot contract. We are years away from a new contract.

We just rescinded the Hotel AIP. No longer an AIP. How many more will be rescinded once the board takes a closer look. Almost all.

Originally Posted by Varks (Post 3513480)

Exactly. Too many groups too anxious about being overrun by the adversary group.

I attended a concourse conversation in Boston. Asked by BOS chair if I was legacy AA and what I thought about my reps. Didn’t care what my concerns were. After telling him I liked my reps he left me. No offer of food, nothing. He came off as a real jerk.

Why would I attend a meeting where I will be ignored and unliked. Free food and beer is dumb.

There is zero unity. Just think of the selfish pilots signing up to be Check Pilots when the Union clearly told them not to. Too bad for those selfish pilots are going to suffer under the old Check Pilot contract. We are years away from a new contract.

We just rescinded the Hotel AIP. No longer an AIP. How many more will be rescinded once the board takes a closer look. Almost all.

Originally Posted by V1rotate2500 (Post 3513886)

So what’s the compensation pay looking like for a new FO under in the new contract