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Beech Dude 09-28-2022 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 3502403)
Oh my! Look at all them zeros. I wonder what Isom would do with those?

Profit sharing? :D nah, just tack em on the end of his bonus check...

Arado 234 09-29-2022 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3503002)
Profit sharing? :D nah, just tack em on the end of his bonus check...

... with a memo appreciating our hard work through this unprecedented self-inflicted and other miscellaneous bs.

NotPhlying 09-29-2022 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by thrust (Post 3502090)
Ok… the pilot group didn’t propose 10/5/3. Management did. Double down again?

Yep.. "OUR" proposal is 10/5/3. That's what's on the table from the company to "OUR" pilot group. Don't you have crew meals to worry about? Relax bro!

rdneckpilot 09-29-2022 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by RadialRover (Post 3499868)
It’s not the zero sum game you’re painted it as. Management can open the purse strings for all its labor…no one is forcing anyone to take a sour deal. If it isn’t good, strike authorization votes are always an option.

no one will be allowed to strike. NLRB won’t release us. We are to important to air commerce. We might get to vote and rattle the swords but no way we get released to self help.

NotPhlying 09-29-2022 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 3503880)
no one will be allowed to strike. NLRB won’t release us. We are to important to air commerce. We might get to vote and rattle the swords but no way we get released to self help.

Agreed!! Folks in DC won't let it happen. They are already ****ed with the airlines.

BcULstDaBlodyWr 09-29-2022 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 3503880)
no one will be allowed to strike. NLRB won’t release us. We are to important to air commerce. We might get to vote and rattle the swords but no way we get released to self help.

Have you been missing from the news the last few weeks? Freight railroads got released. One passenger airline would absolutely go through the steps. The only thing RLA and NMB does is force negotiations to happen and delay a strike 30 days. Then the president can delay another 30 days. Railroads got approved 6 months after filing for mediation and they’re far more necessary for commerce.

NotPhlying 09-30-2022 01:42 AM


Originally Posted by BcULstDaBlodyWr (Post 3503995)
Have you been missing from the news the last few weeks? Freight railroads got released. One passenger airline would absolutely go through the steps. The only thing RLA and NMB does is force negotiations to happen and delay a strike 30 days. Then the president can delay another 30 days. Railroads got approved 6 months after filing for mediation and they’re far more necessary for commerce.

US railroads going on strike would have cause havoc on the supply chain, no bueno for the mid terms. I believe the President has emergency power under the RLA Act to extend the cool off period up to 60 days or end the strike completely. I don't think they would have actually went on-strike.

Any airline going on strike today would really tick off the general public, don't see too many politicians supporting a strike. Especially not for the larger airline in the world.

That being said I still think we need to push for a much better offer from the company and not sign the current turd on the table.

RadialRover 09-30-2022 02:03 AM


Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 3503880)
no one will be allowed to strike. NLRB won’t release us. We are to important to air commerce. We might get to vote and rattle the swords but no way we get released to self help.

It’s really self-defeating to act like we shouldn’t bother with a strike authorization because you think we might not actually strike, when it’s one of the few official ways to tell the company their efforts are seriously lacking. The ball isn’t moving, we ought to do something, and a strike authorization isn’t itself striking, it just sets the conditions within the union for it.

NotPhlying 09-30-2022 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by RadialRover (Post 3504024)
It’s really self-defeating to act like we shouldn’t bother with a strike authorization because you think we might not actually strike, when it’s one of the few official ways to tell the company their efforts are seriously lacking. The ball isn’t moving, we ought to do something, and a strike authorization isn’t itself striking, it just sets the conditions within the union for it.

Well said, agree!

BcULstDaBlodyWr 09-30-2022 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by NotPhlying (Post 3504021)
US railroads going on strike would have cause havoc on the supply chain, no bueno for the mid terms. I believe the President has emergency power under the RLA Act to extend the cool off period up to 60 days or end the strike completely. I don't think they would have actually went on-strike.

Any airline going on strike today would really tick off the general public, don't see too many politicians supporting a strike. Especially not for the larger airline in the world=12pt.

After the first 30 day cooling off period the president can extend it a further 30 days for a total of 60 days. After that, the company can use a lockout or the union can strike. The president CANNOT impose a deal or stop the strike/lockout. The only way to stop job action is if Congress imposes a deal. That means a Democrat majority Congress would have to vote on and agree to some type of agreement. They didn’t even come up with a deal when it was the railroads striking because Bernie Sanders blocked an unanimous decision to impose the PEB’s suggestion. I doubt they’d agree on a deal for one airline.

The fact no airline union has taken advantage of the political winds to move through the mediation process is a joke. If Republicans take back Congress, they’re more likely to impose the PEB’s solution, which in the case of the railroads, was a pro management deal.


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