If all WO become mainline I believe that will trigger a lot of other work groups’ scope clauses to lay claim to many out stations, not to mention FA’s, mechanics, etc. Unless, and I don’t think this exists anywhere, we have APA seniority pilots operating non-AA certificate aircraft.

The majority of pilots are so short sighted it’s sad. Pay rates can change with a flick of a switch, and management will have no problem doing that if they see a need for it. Just look back 5 years ago when AA unilaterally gave an 8% raise, no strings attached.

What Alaska did was focus on quality of life issues. Some are major, some minor which I think is the beauty of the agreement.

I hope it passes for the sole reason that it establishes a baseline industry wide that QOL issues are most important.

Well, they got a 15 to 22% raise depending on where they sit, so, pretty sure pay rates matter too. That’s more than double what we were offered.

Yes, but their pay was low to begin with.. with our current proposals (10/5/3) we would be on par with their pay scale. On a side note.. I don't agree with our proposed %.

that’s exactly my point…don’t look at their new rates but rather the %.

10/5/3 is AA’s garbage proposal, not APA’s..

Who said anything about APA?

APA’s 10/5/5 isn’t much better. At a *bare* minimum it should be 15/5/5, but more like 18/5/5 to retain the pay advantage AA enjoyed over AS.

You said “our current proposal”, did you not?

Do you work in management?

Agreed. Just pointing out that AA management’s offer of 10/5/3 is even more laughable than APA’s weak proposal.