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AllYourBaseAreB 09-22-2022 07:23 AM

How does a union get “cold feet” in a merger? Wtf does that mean?

you mean like not want to pre-negotiate an SLI and contract with an artificial time constraint?

CRJphlyer 09-22-2022 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by RadialRover (Post 3498913)
Yeah, you bought off on this tall tale. No way the management wants to run anything more complex/involved than they already have. So yeah, management inventing this story and then you believing it is more believable than what you have proposed. Good for you, though.

your complete lack of knowledge regarding the situation and your condescension has come across pretty strong. Do you think that the only people with any depth of experience dealing with Jerry Glass and F&H solutions is APA? What is being mentioned above was worked on amongst the 3 MEC‘s before any plan was ever brought to American Airlines or APA. American was told in no uncertain terms that the longer it waited the more narrow its options became. So basically you either pay a boatload of money, or you work out some sort of seniority deal. Those are the only real ways to get people to stay at the regionals in the current hiring environment. The amount of money was an almost absurd amount that was presented to American management. When it became clear that APA wasn’t willing to discuss anything to do with seniority, low and behold… The seemingly absurd amount of money quickly found its way to the table.

AllYourBaseAreB 09-22-2022 01:44 PM

What was this supposed “deal” that APA had to sign onto???

Did we have to agree to an SLI right then and there with the WO? You and the other guy keep alluding to this big meeting but won’t say what exactly was “the deal”….

ACEssXfer 09-22-2022 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3499346)
What was this supposed “deal” that APA had to sign onto???

Did we have to agree to an SLI right then and there with the WO? You and the other guy keep alluding to this big meeting but won’t say what exactly was “the deal”….

I would assume it would be seniority numbers for WO pilots that were not yet hired by AA. That would require APA approval.

highfarfast 09-22-2022 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3499346)
What was this supposed “deal” that APA had to sign onto???

Did we have to agree to an SLI right then and there with the WO? You and the other guy keep alluding to this big meeting but won’t say what exactly was “the deal”….

WO unions wanted to work with APA for a deal for all. Remember, most WO pilots want to be at AA at some point so a good deal for APA is a good deal for the WO pilots too. That point can't be overstated. I m fairly certain SLI was not something demanded by WO. That would be fantasy world there. But there are other things than big pay for a couple years at a regional that WO pilots would have preferred, and it didn't have to be SLI.

CRJphlyer 09-22-2022 03:11 PM

SLI was never something the WOs expected or were interested in discussing from what I was told.

AllYourBaseAreB 09-22-2022 05:22 PM

Just come out and say what the deal was… cripes…

highfarfast 09-22-2022 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3499489)
Just come out and say what the deal was… cripes…

Cripes, there wasn’t a “deal”. The WO unions wanted to work with APA on a deal, most WO pilots will be APA pilots after all. APA wasn’t interested in a joint effort. WO pilots are now paid more than APA pilots instead. How hard is this to understand?

RadialRover 09-22-2022 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by CRJphlyer (Post 3499266)
your complete lack of knowledge regarding the situation and your condescension has come across pretty strong. Do you think that the only people with any depth of experience dealing with Jerry Glass and F&H solutions is APA? What is being mentioned above was worked on amongst the 3 MEC‘s before any plan was ever brought to American Airlines or APA. American was told in no uncertain terms that the longer it waited the more narrow its options became. So basically you either pay a boatload of money, or you work out some sort of seniority deal. Those are the only real ways to get people to stay at the regionals in the current hiring environment. The amount of money was an almost absurd amount that was presented to American management. When it became clear that APA wasn’t willing to discuss anything to do with seniority, low and behold… The seemingly absurd amount of money quickly found its way to the table.

Yawn, you two fanboys just want your regional pilot charity hire by absorption too much to do anything other than tell an inconsistent tall tale.

AllYourBaseAreB 09-22-2022 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3499497)
Cripes, there wasn’t a “deal”. The WO unions wanted to work with APA on a deal, most WO pilots will be APA pilots after all. APA wasn’t interested in a joint effort. WO pilots are now paid more than APA pilots instead. How hard is this to understand?

yes obviously no deal, but what would have been coordinated, exactly? What coordination would grease the wheels of a merger. You’re being obtuse…


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