Timeframe for an AA AIP
12-17-2022 | 04:50 AM
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From: Airbus FO
I’ve been told the positive space commuting is a big hurdle due to large numbers of pilots living outside the US. I’ve always wondered how many people that actually is?
12-17-2022 | 05:07 AM
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Not sure why international commuting would be any different.
12-17-2022 | 06:46 AM
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Thanks for the thoughts, everyone. I asked the original question because I left DAL for AA because of the choice to live in base. My family and I live in a major hub for AA, and are unwilling to move given our current situation. I’m holding out hope that AA will be able to provide compensation and QOL on par with, or better than, everyone else. One can hope. 🤞
12-17-2022 | 07:34 AM
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I have been holding out hope for 24 years. Don’t count on it. Management does not understand how our QOL lags behind our ALPA brothers and sisters. They will offer us the money but no way the QOL will be anywhere near what it should be. If you don’t live in an AA base don’t bother applying. We suck.
I’m all in on making AA a better place; not just for pilots, but all employees AND customers. I’m cautiously optimistic that we can achieve this.
12-17-2022 | 08:30 AM
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I GENUINELY mean no offense by this, but it’s this kind of self-deprecating talk that management wants. Management understands exactly what’s going on. I believe we are sunsetting the time in which our collective negotiating power is strongest. The time to act is now to push for what we deserve. I do not mean that we quickly negotiate something sub-par. I mean that we, like DAL, give management our major contractual gains and let them know that we want them with no concessions. If this takes 1.5 years (or more) to negotiate, fine. But we may never find a time like this again in which we have this leverage.
I’m all in on making AA a better place; not just for pilots, but all employees AND customers. I’m cautiously optimistic that we can achieve this.
I’m all in on making AA a better place; not just for pilots, but all employees AND customers. I’m cautiously optimistic that we can achieve this.
I am currently chasing down my 13 hrs. Of Holiday pay that was not in any pay statement. That’s $4200 shorted prior to taxes. Another wonderful fact being employed by this formally good airline. Chasing down pay that should have been paid. The frustrations never end. We actually have a pilot that will audit your pay for you. Costs you $10 a month. Why can a pilot get it correct yet a huge corporation with endless accountants and programmers get it so wrong? Because we suck.
12-17-2022 | 09:22 AM
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Just stating the facts. There is no way in hell I will vote yes for anything less than Delta agreement. I am not alone. Therefore no contract until 2025.
I am currently chasing down my 13 hrs. Of Holiday pay that was not in any pay statement. That’s $4200 shorted prior to taxes. Another wonderful fact being employed by this formally good airline. Chasing down pay that should have been paid. The frustrations never end. We actually have a pilot that will audit your pay for you. Costs you $10 a month. Why can a pilot get it correct yet a huge corporation with endless accountants and programmers get it so wrong? Because we suck.
I am currently chasing down my 13 hrs. Of Holiday pay that was not in any pay statement. That’s $4200 shorted prior to taxes. Another wonderful fact being employed by this formally good airline. Chasing down pay that should have been paid. The frustrations never end. We actually have a pilot that will audit your pay for you. Costs you $10 a month. Why can a pilot get it correct yet a huge corporation with endless accountants and programmers get it so wrong? Because we suck.
12-17-2022 | 09:43 AM
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From: Happily coasting in the left seat until it ends.
From a little jumpseat bird....
Probably by summer whether or not DALPA passes their's. Of course the quality will vary. He said, without saying as much, that it's the "total package" expressed in $'s, not hourly or highlights that are posted on APC. So, matching rates isn't he goal. It's the total cost of the package compared to others. He did say QOL issues were the priority and were the hangups. He did mention that aircraft purchases/acquisition were dependent on having a contract. Financing depends on it.
Too many airlines and too many contracts. To much disappointment over the years to get worked up about it. There is no perfect contract, union or management. They all suck pretty much. Work to live, don't live to work (or ***** about stuff).
Probably by summer whether or not DALPA passes their's. Of course the quality will vary. He said, without saying as much, that it's the "total package" expressed in $'s, not hourly or highlights that are posted on APC. So, matching rates isn't he goal. It's the total cost of the package compared to others. He did say QOL issues were the priority and were the hangups. He did mention that aircraft purchases/acquisition were dependent on having a contract. Financing depends on it.
Too many airlines and too many contracts. To much disappointment over the years to get worked up about it. There is no perfect contract, union or management. They all suck pretty much. Work to live, don't live to work (or ***** about stuff).
12-17-2022 | 10:58 AM
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From a little jumpseat bird....
Probably by summer whether or not DALPA passes their's. Of course the quality will vary. He said, without saying as much, that it's the "total package" expressed in $'s, not hourly or highlights that are posted on APC. So, matching rates isn't he goal. It's the total cost of the package compared to others. He did say QOL issues were the priority and were the hangups. He did mention that aircraft purchases/acquisition were dependent on having a contract. Financing depends on it.
Too many airlines and too many contracts. Too much disappointment over the years to get worked up about it. There is no perfect contract, union or management. They all suck pretty much. Work to live, don't live to work (or ***** about stuff).
Probably by summer whether or not DALPA passes their's. Of course the quality will vary. He said, without saying as much, that it's the "total package" expressed in $'s, not hourly or highlights that are posted on APC. So, matching rates isn't he goal. It's the total cost of the package compared to others. He did say QOL issues were the priority and were the hangups. He did mention that aircraft purchases/acquisition were dependent on having a contract. Financing depends on it.
Too many airlines and too many contracts. Too much disappointment over the years to get worked up about it. There is no perfect contract, union or management. They all suck pretty much. Work to live, don't live to work (or ***** about stuff).
Executives who actually control the pace and the terms of negotiations don’t ride jumpseats.
12-17-2022 | 12:00 PM
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Management doesn't want self-deprecating talk from us, they want us to think everything is great and that we're awesome. Ra Ra go team, KDA. Many in our management actually believe it too, they have no clue what's actually going on.
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
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