Schedules at AA
07-10-2023 | 10:53 AM
#91
Gets Weekends Off
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Read The compass docs. Specifically the sequence protection flow chart. I have run this through CC more than once. Mutual = pay protected. Non-mutual = pay goes away and credit stays blocking the footprint. It is a 15 code vs a NS code. NS is non-disciplinary in the case of RO decline.
The contract is a living document. You unfortunately cannot just read the raw language and take it as absolute. Hopefully this will be improved with the new TA.
The contract is a living document. You unfortunately cannot just read the raw language and take it as absolute. Hopefully this will be improved with the new TA.
Even if it isn't declinable, there are more restrictions in place. Overall a huge win to not be on the hook for several days.
07-10-2023 | 11:02 AM
#92
Line Holder
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So current contract states it must be mutually agreed upon, yet that isn't actually the case. So it's feasible that the new contract would be similar, yes?
Even if it isn't declinable, there are more restrictions in place. Overall a huge win to not be on the hook for several days.
Even if it isn't declinable, there are more restrictions in place. Overall a huge win to not be on the hook for several days.
as far as “staying in place” I asked the head of the scheduling committee. He told me under the new agreement you will not be able to decline.
I don’t make things up for internet points.
07-10-2023 | 11:04 AM
#93
Line Holder
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Do you think that the high reserve percentages was ignored by APA? I’ve heard Ed on town halls talking about this so emphatically that it sounded like he was about to pop a vessel. I can’t assure you it wasn’t ignored. There are scheduling changes in the TA, many of which may be intended to fix this imbalance. Why not wait to hear from the horse’s mouth when the road shows begin?
I’m allowed to not like this. You guys are being crazy.
07-10-2023 | 11:11 AM
#94
Gets Weekends Off
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Again: Not a win for me. I don’t allow them to keep me on the hook because I just go home.
as far as “staying in place” I asked the head of the scheduling committee. He told me under the new agreement you will not be able to decline.
I don’t make things up for internet points.
as far as “staying in place” I asked the head of the scheduling committee. He told me under the new agreement you will not be able to decline.
I don’t make things up for internet points.
07-10-2023 | 07:31 PM
#96
Atmospheric Penetrator
Joined: Aug 2005
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We carry the highest reserve percentage in the industry. The company could create more lineholders but are terrified of not being able to cover flying. Reserves are used to cover open time instead of what they should really be used for: sick calls and IROPS. IMO it is the wrong approach. Over time pilots are going to call out less when the average line is say 75 hours instead of 83 with highs in the 90s. It's a stepping over a dollar to pick up 50 cents approach that they do not understand because they run the airline off of spreadsheets instead of operations experience. It's a difficult position to prove to a number cruncher.
The split duty "concession"(jury is out on this) is an attempt at the above.
The split duty "concession"(jury is out on this) is an attempt at the above.
07-11-2023 | 09:40 AM
#97
On Reserve
Joined: Oct 2019
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It’s very simple here at AA. Our min day credit is 5:15 hours of pay. Your trip credit is going to be the number of days of the trip times our min day plus a few minutes per day if you’re lucky. That’s it! Days off at American average less than most other airlines for the same amount of credit.
07-11-2023 | 09:50 AM
#98
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2021
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Puss, you know that’s not true. There are both min credit and high credit trips, which are desirable for both the “I’m at work, might as well fly” and the “18 hours in Redondo thank you very much” crowd. Again, you are full of ****, you don’t use data or experience to stake your claim.
High credit trips at AA 4-day - 23 hours of credit
lol tf?
07-11-2023 | 10:00 AM
#99
On Reserve
Joined: Oct 2019
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Puss, if I can get an extra day or two off by flying a 23 hour 4-day, that is a good deal. A 6.31 one day is a great one-day. A 18 hour 3 day is sublime. The bid packs have them in spades.
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