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Old 07-09-2023 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Varks
You can still turn down RO in new deal. Where are you getting your information? Watch videos. It was addressed. Same as before.
I dont remember seeing that. Are you sure it wasn't "future RO"? I am going off what AW said. He specifically said daily RO cannot be declined. Scheduling committee.
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Old 07-09-2023 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User
If the company wanted to be dicks, they could also deny your request to decline RO under our current contract without recourse:



So, the way I see it, this new RO is lightyears ahead of where we are today.
Non-mutual decline cannot be denied by company.....You just don't get paid.
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Old 07-10-2023 | 04:37 AM
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I'm at a regional and targeting AA so I can live in base. But I am really worried about the schedules, and disappointed that the TA doesn't seem to address this. Right now I can easily get 17 days off, and have unrestricted trades and drop to zero (if there's coverage) if I want. Life is pretty good right now and the only reason I'm considering a legacy is because the future of the regionals is in doubt. I have a friend who gets 16 days off at DL even with a commute. Is it really true you can't trade or drop at all? Any chance this will change even without it written in the TA? I'm really starting to consider other options but I'm very limited by location (CLT). (I've only got about 12 years left until retirement btw so my concerns are different than the young 'uns. Time at home > compensation.)
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Old 07-10-2023 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyinCat
I'm at a regional and targeting AA so I can live in base. But I am really worried about the schedules, and disappointed that the TA doesn't seem to address this. Right now I can easily get 17 days off, and have unrestricted trades and drop to zero (if there's coverage) if I want. Life is pretty good right now and the only reason I'm considering a legacy is because the future of the regionals is in doubt. I have a friend who gets 16 days off at DL even with a commute. Is it really true you can't trade or drop at all? Any chance this will change even without it written in the TA? I'm really starting to consider other options but I'm very limited by location (CLT). (I've only got about 12 years left until retirement btw so my concerns are different than the young 'uns. Time at home > compensation.)
It's better at AA. End of post.
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Old 07-10-2023 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
It's better at AA. End of post.
Really unhelpful comment. How is no schedule flexibility better than unlimited flexibility?
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Old 07-10-2023 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Armyguy
The low end of the LCW is 77hrs this month for most bid status's in the NB. Next year that will become 79hrs. That will be the minimum so in reality even if the number 1 person you will be seeing a line in the low 80's. Over half the pilots in each bid status will be above 86 hours. 50% above 86%. With LCW's being just shy of 91hrs (90:55 to be exact), I looked at the PBS awards and a sizable chunk of pilots (@25%) were getting 88 plus hour lines. 30%. Next year that becomes 90hrs and above with minimal ability to trade down or drop coupled with anemic sick accrual means this TA is a NO for me.

I know you hate the fact that your Yes vote is now canceled out.
Absolutely disgusting. Shame on APA for agreeing to this. This contract negotiation only had the senior pilots in mind, buuuuuuuut what is new with this ****ty union.
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Old 07-10-2023 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Sike
I bid reserve, all summer, for this reason. And I'm not based in LGA. The junior line holders are likely getting hybrid lines, which completely skews the picture. I got 17 days off with hybrids a while ago and thought I had it all solved.
Hybrids will be going away btw. Another concession
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Old 07-10-2023 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
I didn’t argue anything about his perception of the shortcomings of the TA, only the false info as I always do. He says he gets 13 days off as a line holder. Read above man. Then finally he is forced to admit that he bids reserve because using PBS 3XP anyone can see that even the most Jr line holders get 15-16 off.

The question you should be asking is why is he compelled to make up stuff like that? There are real issues you could point to around here, why lie/embellish and make up stuff?

Why does armyguy say that Eagle has priority in our jumpseats? Why does ImSoSuss say our TA is concessionary in every section except pay? Why do you say that the new RO system is worse than the old one?

I just call BS when I read BS. To you that means I’m a company man, or management, or as I’ve also been accused of being on the NC.
Look through the awards. There are a ton of people awarded lines with only 12 to 13 days off in July. Absolutely horrid. Zero protections in this contract from the company doing what it wants.

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Old 07-10-2023 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyinCat
Really unhelpful comment. How is no schedule flexibility better than unlimited flexibility?
It's not, it is really bad at AA. And you're right there was nothing negotiated that will sginificantly fix anything. What he is saying is don't stay at a Regional regardless how good you have it there for the time being.
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Old 07-10-2023 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by imsosuss
it's not, it is really bad at aa. And you're right there was nothing negotiated that will sginificantly fix anything. What he is saying is don't stay at a regional regardless how good you have it there for the time being.
then leave!!!
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