Schedules at AA
#41
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All my trips are about # days of trip X Min Day credit and so is almost everybody else. So that part is very true, the crapomizer makes sure of it.
Already this summer I've been awarded a 90 plus hour line but El Panso said it never happens so let's all believe his lies.
Already this summer I've been awarded a 90 plus hour line but El Panso said it never happens so let's all believe his lies.
#42
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How many line are 90+ hours? We’re in the thick of summer are we not? We should all be working our butts off right now should we not? I looked at the July awards for DFW narrow body in both seats, and here are the average line credits for July.
A320 CA - 81:45
A320 FO - 83:16
737 CA - 82:24
737 FO - 82:20
Again we’re in the thick of summer and that’s the average line credit our NB pilots in the mothership hub got awarded for July.
Look I couldn’t care less how you vote on this TA. Heck be one if those “I always vote No” guys for the rest of your career if you like. Some of you guys have legitimate concerns, but some just get off on finding anything to b&tch about.
In one post, ImSoSuss will complain that our trips aren’t productive enough because they’re worth min credit (also untrue btw). Then in the next post he’ll say our monthly credit is too high. This site, or at least the AA section, has turned into a disinformation b&tch-athon.
A320 CA - 81:45
A320 FO - 83:16
737 CA - 82:24
737 FO - 82:20
Again we’re in the thick of summer and that’s the average line credit our NB pilots in the mothership hub got awarded for July.
Look I couldn’t care less how you vote on this TA. Heck be one if those “I always vote No” guys for the rest of your career if you like. Some of you guys have legitimate concerns, but some just get off on finding anything to b&tch about.
In one post, ImSoSuss will complain that our trips aren’t productive enough because they’re worth min credit (also untrue btw). Then in the next post he’ll say our monthly credit is too high. This site, or at least the AA section, has turned into a disinformation b&tch-athon.
I believe I am pretty rational with what I want from this thing.
#43
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You can’t just say “so is almost everybody else’s” when the data doesn’t back it up. Just not true. Most trips are not min credit. Most lines are not 90 hours. Someone already posted the sequence data and the vast majority were not min credit. Someone certainly refuses to believe the truth around here.
#45
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And before you start trying to claim that no one at DAL or UAL ever gets awarded a high credit line, and that all their pilots enjoy summer vacation weeks, I’ll just ask you to save the BS now.
#46
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So yeah I don't see an issue here...
#47
Dang, that's a lot of TAFB. Now I understand why so many in my squadron are hiding from the job on mil leave. Rank schedule arbitrage by another name.
How does 'banging out sick' (that's what the SWA types at work call it anyways lol) work at AA? What's the accrual for junior folks (or is it the same regardless of longevity)? If it's paltry, any threats or thresholds to be aware of when having to take unpaid sick, especially while on probation? Asking for a friend who is still looking for a part time job after getting kicked out of the military.
How does 'banging out sick' (that's what the SWA types at work call it anyways lol) work at AA? What's the accrual for junior folks (or is it the same regardless of longevity)? If it's paltry, any threats or thresholds to be aware of when having to take unpaid sick, especially while on probation? Asking for a friend who is still looking for a part time job after getting kicked out of the military.
#48
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It is absolutely the point. You’re trying to argue that a 90+ hour schedule is simply possible here? Please cut the BS. You and others like you on here are trying desperately to paint a picture about work life at AA. You’re trying to claim that 90+ hour lines with 12 days off is the standard schedule we all endure here, and I even saw one poster say “its slave labor”. Yeah that happens here. I also see some claim that summer vacation is impossible because they didn’t get it, and now can’t take their kids to Europe for vacation. It’s like some of you never heard of seniority. The better your seniority gets, the better you line and vacation weeks get. If you didn’t know that before getting into this business, then you didn’t do your research.
And before you start trying to claim that no one at DAL or UAL ever gets awarded a high credit line, and that all their pilots enjoy summer vacation weeks, I’ll just ask you to save the BS now.
And before you start trying to claim that no one at DAL or UAL ever gets awarded a high credit line, and that all their pilots enjoy summer vacation weeks, I’ll just ask you to save the BS now.
We could’ve limited the window twice recently. Once during Covid and once in S6. We failed both times. You are just as hardline as Sus just the opposite way. We have major issues to fix. Is this a good(great) job? Yes. Can it be even better? F yes.
You posted misleading info land were corrected. Take a loss every now and then.
#49
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Take a breather my man. You’re gonna have a heart attack. Those are averages. There are many pilots with high time schedules. My July schedule was 88 hours. I am about 40% in a senior base. I bid low time.
We could’ve limited the window twice recently. Once during Covid and once in S6. We failed both times. You are just as hardline as Sus just the opposite way. We have major issues to fix. Is this a good(great) job? Yes. Can it be even better? F yes.
You posted misleading info land were corrected. Take a loss every now and then.
We could’ve limited the window twice recently. Once during Covid and once in S6. We failed both times. You are just as hardline as Sus just the opposite way. We have major issues to fix. Is this a good(great) job? Yes. Can it be even better? F yes.
You posted misleading info land were corrected. Take a loss every now and then.
Also with respect to averages and many pilots having high time schedules like you at 88 hours. Well then for the averages to be in the 82 hour range, do you not concede that many pilots would also have to have low time schedules as well? To bring those averages down to 82, we obviously have many pilots with 75 hour lines as well. Why not mention those pilots? See you can be pretty hardline yourself. You claimed that our new RO was actually worse because you always used non mutual decline of RO to get out of it. 10 times as I recall. I have a hard time believing you have 10 NS on you record and have never heard from the flight office, but that’s just my suspicion.
And the idea that a high time line is bad, and low time line is good is totally subjective. You might want a low time line. That doesn't mean it’s what the next guy wants.
#50
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About the LCW +/- 7 hours making it possible to build a schedule to 93 hours 4 times a year? Yes you’re right. I didn’t mean to say it’s impossible. If I did I’ll take the L. I’m trying to say that’s not what our typical schedules are or will be like.
Also with respect to averages and many pilots having high times schedules that like you at 88 hours. Well then for the averages to be in the 82 hour range, do you not concede that many pilots would also have to have low time schedules as well? To bring those averages down to 82, we obviously have many pilots with 75 hour lines as well. Why not mention those pilots? See you can be pretty hardline yourself. You claimed that our new RO was actually worse because you always used non mutual decline of RO to get out of it. 10 times as I recall. I have a hard time believing you have 10 NS on you record and have never heard from the flight office, but that’s just my suspicion.
And the idea that a high time line is bad, and low time line is good is totally subjective. You might want a low time line. That doesn't mean it’s what the next guy wants.
Also with respect to averages and many pilots having high times schedules that like you at 88 hours. Well then for the averages to be in the 82 hour range, do you not concede that many pilots would also have to have low time schedules as well? To bring those averages down to 82, we obviously have many pilots with 75 hour lines as well. Why not mention those pilots? See you can be pretty hardline yourself. You claimed that our new RO was actually worse because you always used non mutual decline of RO to get out of it. 10 times as I recall. I have a hard time believing you have 10 NS on you record and have never heard from the flight office, but that’s just my suspicion.
And the idea that a high time line is bad, and low time line is good is totally subjective. You might want a low time line. That doesn't mean it’s what the next guy wants.
Directly from the compass project:
If the Company does not mutually agree to the pilot’s decline of Replacement Flying, the removal code will be NS (No-Show). NS is a non-disciplinary code which removes pay, but retains the credit of the Replacement Flying sequence (this will block the pilot from pickup within the NS footprint).
The bottom lineholder in CLT on the 320 is #554. From there to #454 28 pilots were awarded schedules with more than 88 hours with 17 greater than 90 hours. 49 pilots were on reserve. 50+% of bottom lineholders in that cherry picked(I chose it because off the top of my head it is the largest status) seat have schedules greater than 88 hours. 60% of THOSE pilots greater than 90 hours. Yes the averages are brought down by the senior pilots getting lower time awards. There are still many, many pilots flying high that have no interest doing it and no way to change it other than calling in sick. None of this was addressed in our current TA.
Some pilots want to fly high time, I agree with that. The difference is if you want to fly low time you can be forced to fly high. If a high time flyer receives a low time schedule that he did not bid that pilot can just pick up more time.
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