Originally Posted by ACEssXfer

None of this was addressed in our current TA.

Some pilots want to fly high time, I agree with that. The difference is if you want to fly low time you can be forced to fly high. If a high time flyer receives a low time schedule that he did not bid that pilot can just pick up more time.

Originally Posted by El Peso

The new TA outline contains the following:

• Add new “bid high” and “bid low” options allowing pilots to voluntarily bid outside of the LCW

Why don’t you just wait to find out exactly how this will work when the full TA is released, instead of making claims like “none of this was addressed”? I’ll explain why, because it’s your prerogative to paint the grimmest picture possible.

Originally Posted by El Peso

About the LCW +/- 7 hours making it possible to build a schedule to 93 hours 4 times a year? Yes you’re right. I didn’t mean to say it’s impossible. If I did I’ll take the L. I’m trying to say that’s not what our typical schedules are or will be like.

Also with respect to averages and many pilots having high time schedules like you at 88 hours. Well then for the averages to be in the 82 hour range, do you not concede that many pilots would also have to have low time schedules as well? To bring those averages down to 82, we obviously have many pilots with 75 hour lines as well. Why not mention those pilots? See you can be pretty hardline yourself. You claimed that our new RO was actually worse because you always used non mutual decline of RO to get out of it. 10 times as I recall. I have a hard time believing you have 10 NS on you record and have never heard from the flight office, but that’s just my suspicion.

And the idea that a high time line is bad, and low time line is good is totally subjective. You might want a low time line. That doesn't mean it’s what the next guy wants.

Originally Posted by Armyguy

The low end of the LCW is 77hrs this month for most bid status's in the NB. Next year that will become 79hrs. That will be the minimum so in reality even if the number 1 person you will be seeing a line in the low 80's. Over half the pilots in each bid status will be above 86 hours. 50% above 86%. With LCW's being just shy of 91hrs (90:55 to be exact), I looked at the PBS awards and a sizable chunk of pilots (@25%) were getting 88 plus hour lines. 30%. Next year that becomes 90hrs and above with minimal ability to trade down or drop coupled with anemic sick accrual means this TA is a NO for me.

I know you hate the fact that your Yes vote is now canceled out.

Originally Posted by jetlag q

calling out sick prevents you from non reving on that day?

Originally Posted by hindsight2020

Dang, that's a lot of TAFB. Now I understand why so many in my squadron are hiding from the job on mil leave. Rank schedule arbitrage by another name.

Originally Posted by hindsight2020

What's the accrual for junior folks (or is it the same regardless of longevity)? If it's paltry, any threats or thresholds to be aware of when having to take unpaid sick, especially while on probation? Asking for a friend who is still looking for a part time job after getting kicked out of the military.

Originally Posted by El Peso

The new TA outline contains the following:
• Add new “bid high” and “bid low” options allowing pilots to voluntarily bid outside of the LCW

Originally Posted by Sike

I will be looking very closely at the language on this when the TA comes out. Unless it's rock solid, I will still be a no.

Anecdotally, this is my 3rd 121 job and 5th flying job. The schedules here are worse than any of my previous jobs. Thirteen days off as a line holder is an atrocity at any seniority level unless you're doing day trips and live twenty minutes from the airport. Unfortunately, I think that it IS likely due to IMAX as a previous poster stated. It's that, and the fact that so many of the guys about to retire are trying to make up for being completely hosed, financially, from 2001-2016. I have friends at UA and they seem to have similar schedules, so I know that we're not alone. However, the LCCs and Delta all seem to have it better.

Originally Posted by El Peso

You’re doing something wrong, or you’re leaving out a big part of how you bid. Just looking at the most Jr bid status in the company (LGA 737 FO) the bottom line holders are 15-16 days off for July (you know a month we’re all working 90+ hours according to some). You’re absolutely leaving something out about the way you bid to get stuck with 13 days off.