Careful. If you are looking for pay being IMAXd when you didn't mean to be can force you into multiple low months.

I could MAYBE stretch my brain a little and say we matched DAL. Not sure I could get there but it isn't unreasonable. To say we matched UAL is simply not true. Period. APA's email after UAL's AIP had 23 bullet points that they considered industry standard. We achieved 4 of them from our most recent talks. These are not industry leading items they are industry standard. We can't even get to industry standard other than pay rates or other pay related items.

The townhall last night was embarrassing. APA is a peewee town league team playing against the KC Chiefs at the negotiating table. Run over and trampled on.

Edit: There a multiple unchanged items from UAL, DAL, AA that AA will remain industry trailing. Things that UAL and DAL already had but didn't improved in their most recent bargaining. Hotels, etc.

Their argument for a lot of stuff was, "Be careful what you wish for.". Like the extra day off for reserves argument. Apparently Delta and United don't have an 85 hr max limit on reserves. They use FAR max. Our 85 hr max essentially means we can't be used more than 16 days per month, so we're already getting at least 14-15 days off. Of course those are days that can't be pre-bid, but they are days off in the end. There were numerous items that were worse than what we have at DAL and UAL and the company said, OK, you can have that, but then you get all of DAL/UAL's contract and not just the good parts. I am not defending APA and will be one of the first in line to vote for ALPA when and if that time comes.

This right here. Also, DAL’s pairing construction limits (worse than what we have proposed). AA said we could have 10 hour max scheduled FDP, but then that would force them to just create longer trips, something the majority here don’t want. It’s not clear that DAL and UAL won’t do exactly that when their 10 hour FDP provisions get fully implemented.

Well AIP 2.0 has been passed by the BOD. They didn't provide a break-out of the vote in the email though. Trying to find that info.

Upgrading will prevent you front ever having to endure a PA like that while sitting in the right seat. Aa73 is correct though, not an AA specific problem.

While on reserve, can you pick up open time/premium on your days off that goes over guarantee or you're limited to 85 hours total credit?

Sorry to invade your forum just watching from the sidelines and wanted to correct some info in here. At DAL reserve pilots are limited to Average Line Value (ALV) +15 hours. ALV changes month to month but must fall between 72-84 hours for narrow body aircraft which for us includes the 767-300 and 71-85 hours for wide body aircraft. Most summer months see ALVs around 80 and winter months in the low-mid 70s.

Can try to pick it up for OG( over guarantee) or PR and go above 85 hours. That is at scheduling's discretion. Can't just go and pick it up yourself on your off days.

Good info, thank you! So basically it’s reserves can fly 87-99 hours. So yes AA’s hard 85 is better than that. I do believe some of this is being lost in the uproar over TA 2.0.