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ImSoSuss 07-30-2023 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3674673)
will solve absolutely nothing. Ask spirit guys how alpa did for them on the latest contract.

They did pretty good considering it was supposed to just be a bridge until the JetBlue JCBA. Why don't you ask Spirit pilots how well ALPA did when they negotiated their industry leading QOL contract a few years ago?

ImSoSuss 07-30-2023 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by beancounter (Post 3675020)
Yeah, I built up hundreds of hours of sick time on the narrow body, because I was only flying 12-13 days a month and the trips were good. The new guys now will never see that, because they’re flying garbage trips, 16 days a month, and getting pounded into the ground. Very few of them I talk to have any sick time, it’s impossible to accumulate it.

^^^^^ This right here. Accumulating sick time is not a thing anymore.

StoneQOLdCrazy 07-30-2023 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by CRJCapitan (Post 3675062)
In his defense, you are the one commenting on another airline’s thread. You, along with the thread starter, started this whole thing unprovoked…

oh, it most certainly was provoked. By APA's pathetic display of unionism and discombobulated lack of leadership. ****ing freeloaders.

CRJCapitan 07-30-2023 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3675140)
oh, it most certainly was provoked. By APA's pathetic display of unionism and discombobulated lack of leadership. ****ing freeloaders.

You do realize UALPA only started making serious progress with United management after the AA AIP, right? But your revisionist history of what happened literally a month ago sounds better

P.S. And if you don’t believe me, go look at the United forum from back in April and May.

Montcalm 07-30-2023 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by CRJCapitan (Post 3675148)
You do realize UALPA only started making serious progress with United management after the AA AIP, right? But your revisionist history of what happened literally a month ago sounds better

P.S. And if you don’t believe me, go look at the United forum from back in April and May.

You do realize that it was massively voted down, right? They regrouped and knocked it out of the park. We miserably failed what, four times now?

These threads are getting absurd.

CRJCapitan 07-30-2023 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Montcalm (Post 3675159)
You do realize that it was massively voted down, right? They regrouped and knocked it out of the park. We miserably failed what, four times now?

These threads are getting absurd.

What are you talking about? AA came out with the most recent AIP on 5/19 and, up until that point, UA pilots were talking on their forum about how little progress that had made in their negotiations. No one will take the time and go back and read the threads, but they’re there.

I don’t care about their TUMI TA if that’s what you’re talking about.

aa73 07-30-2023 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 3674963)
Braniff Christmas?

Back in the 1981/1982ish time frame, just before Braniff went under… AA management desperately needed more lift at DFW over the Christmas holidays. Behind the union’s back, they negotiated a quick deal with Braniff to carry AA passengers on AA routes using the AA code. The morning it was scheduled to start, a bunch of AA Captains maneuvered their aircraft after pushback to park and block every Braniff pushback at DFW. They shut em down that morning. The deal was called off immediately afterwards. Obviously I wasn’t around back then but from what I’ve been told, it was a coordinated secret grass roots effort at the membership level that enabled that to happen.

StoneQOLdCrazy 07-30-2023 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by CRJCapitan (Post 3675148)
You do realize UALPA only started making serious progress with United management after the AA AIP, right? But your revisionist history of what happened literally a month ago sounds better

P.S. And if you don’t believe me, go look at the United forum from back in April and May.

revisionist history? This is happening right now. You had like 3 chances to exceed industry leading and you only matched every time.

no one in the industry is interested in your candy-ass excuses. But hey, as long as you can convince yourself.

ACEssXfer 07-30-2023 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3675210)
revisionist history? This is happening right now. You had like 3 chances to exceed industry leading and you only matched every time.

no one in the industry is interested in your candy-ass excuses. But hey, as long as you can convince yourself.

Did we match though? Isom has claimed the new new AA AIP is worth 9 billion. The UAL AIP is 10+ billion.

Armyguy 07-30-2023 02:50 PM

IMAX is all the empty nesters say over and over.

If it was so great for everybody then more pilots would be IMAXing yet they aren't. There is a reason for that.

Bunch of senior idiots at this company


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