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01-17-2024, 06:50 AM
#111
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 155
You're misinformed.
Best example: Outgoing base reps choosing their successors, and pilots having appointed rather than elected representatives, which is what happened in DFW. In DFW the pilots are being reperesented by two pilots appointed, not elected, the very antithesis of a democratic organization. Under ALPA, a vacant seat triggers a special election for an elected representative to serve.
That's just one of many, many examples.
That's all the spoon feeding I can give you.
Pilots need to really do objective research and leave emotion and resentments out of the equation.
Best example: Outgoing base reps choosing their successors, and pilots having appointed rather than elected representatives, which is what happened in DFW. In DFW the pilots are being reperesented by two pilots appointed, not elected, the very antithesis of a democratic organization. Under ALPA, a vacant seat triggers a special election for an elected representative to serve.
That's just one of many, many examples.
That's all the spoon feeding I can give you.
Pilots need to really do objective research and leave emotion and resentments out of the equation.
It’s actually kind of hilarious that you think it would be any different around here under ALPA. With the same pilot group and the same management team, it will be the same results, and you can take that to the bank buddy.
01-17-2024, 07:26 AM
#112
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Joined APC: Jan 2022
Posts: 192
Spoon feeding? I’ve been an ALPA member, have you? I know how it works. ALPA National sucks, and the individual MECs are only as good as thier members. Which means here, it will suck too. Huge waste of money, same results.
It’s actually kind of hilarious that you think it would be any different around here under ALPA. With the same pilot group and the same management team, it will be the same results, and you can take that to the bank buddy.
It’s actually kind of hilarious that you think it would be any different around here under ALPA. With the same pilot group and the same management team, it will be the same results, and you can take that to the bank buddy.
The neoptism and corruption in APA are ridiculous. Millions of dollars of pilot money siphoned off to give to the "elite" of APA. The reason that many want ALPA is so that the rules can be changed and the corruption to decrease.
01-17-2024, 08:06 AM
#113
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Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,541
Spoon feeding? I’ve been an ALPA member, have you? I know how it works. ALPA National sucks, and the individual MECs are only as good as thier members. Which means here, it will suck too. Huge waste of money, same results.
It’s actually kind of hilarious that you think it would be any different around here under ALPA. With the same pilot group and the same management team, it will be the same results, and you can take that to the bank buddy.
It’s actually kind of hilarious that you think it would be any different around here under ALPA. With the same pilot group and the same management team, it will be the same results, and you can take that to the bank buddy.
....and yes I have been an ALPA member.
01-17-2024, 09:50 AM
#114
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 155
United? Really? They got exactly nowhere, just like us, until Delta signed their deal. And they still got nowhere until we got our TA. THEN and only then, did they get their deal. Oh, and how’s it going for Fedex ALPA?
01-17-2024, 09:53 AM
#115
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 155
The biggest problem at APA is that the rules are written to protect the "elite" (good old boys club) and will screw over the pilots with no ability to make changes.
The neoptism and corruption in APA are ridiculous. Millions of dollars of pilot money siphoned off to give to the "elite" of APA. The reason that many want ALPA is so that the rules can be changed and the corruption to decrease.
The neoptism and corruption in APA are ridiculous. Millions of dollars of pilot money siphoned off to give to the "elite" of APA. The reason that many want ALPA is so that the rules can be changed and the corruption to decrease.
01-17-2024, 10:25 AM
#116
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Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,541
FedEx is a failing business under horrible corporate leadership who has turned a once reliable delivery service into a joke. Comparing apples and oranges. Next you'll probably want to bring up Spirit but I wouldn't do that if I were you. ALPA was able to get the best QOL contract in airline history out of that company.
01-17-2024, 10:38 AM
#117
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Posts: 155
FedEx is a failing business under horrible corporate leadership who has turned a once reliable delivery service into a joke. Comparing apples and oranges. Next you'll probably want to bring up Spirit but I wouldn't do that if I were you. ALPA was able to get the best QOL contract in airline history out of that company.
01-17-2024, 11:01 AM
#118
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,899
BS. Why did they not get their final TA until after we shot down our first one, and AFTER WE got our final TA?
Well, AA is a struggling business under horrible corporate leadership. Sounds familiar. You are absolutely delusional about ALPA. Believe me, I am in NO way a fan of APA, very far from it. But ALPA will be nothing but a huge waste of our money and resources, and achieve minimal, if any, better results.
Well, AA is a struggling business under horrible corporate leadership. Sounds familiar. You are absolutely delusional about ALPA. Believe me, I am in NO way a fan of APA, very far from it. But ALPA will be nothing but a huge waste of our money and resources, and achieve minimal, if any, better results.
01-17-2024, 11:23 AM
#119
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Posts: 1,541
You're talking to someone who is obviously very ignorant of Fed Ex's situation right now. So why would we believe any word he has to say about ALPA?
01-17-2024, 01:09 PM
#120
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 155
I meant AA is struggling relative to its peers UA and DL, mainly due to an apparenty wholly incompetent management team.
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