They're in contract negotiations, you don't honestly think I FedEx pilot has to go to a regional do you?

Obviously it's a bluff. They're trying to scare off the young guys who voted no to the last offer. They know if they get rid of enough of them it will pass.

 

Is there a reason why this can't be a thing with APA? Can membership vote it in?

 

The membership just needs to vote representatives that vote in the change. Elect better candidates and demand that they follow through on their promises. 'One and done' them unitl the majority rule applies. Or...just realize that it's just not that important to the majority.

 

Current reps decided to fleece new hires, instead. They now have to pay dues, because they get the privledge of voting now, with no union protection. It's a joke.

 

well. I knew a bunch of guys that were *****ing about not being able to vote on the contract. They were all sending sound offs demanding a voice. All this crap about prior experience and not needing a year to have a voice. Leadership listened. They got to vote and pay dues.


I agree. It’s dumb as hell but it wasn’t the union trying to fleece new hires. It was the best solution they could come up with to allow a vote.

Much like the **** trip trade system we have. Pilots demanded that crap too.

 

You asking me if I want to rejoin the very union who forced the B-Scale on us, openly approved of pilots earning less than flight attendants, surrendered our pension without a membership vote, failed to secure executive status for our PBGC plan, failed to represent 13 year pilots when 50% of mainline flying went to the regionals overnight and turned a blind eye to their own merger policy to allow George Nicklaus dangerous seniority list to move forward (basically ruining the entire concept of earned seniority). The same organization that took me pay cuts not failed to share in any of the industries pain following 9/11. Hahaha. If that’s what you want fine. For me, never again.

 

1980 - Pan Am/National merger
1988 - Fedex/Flying Tiger merger

Neither used DOH or whatever 'earned seniority' is.

It's been $$$ (career expectations) for 40 years.

 

Worse than that. I know new hires that have been here almost 2 months with the company and still can’t even log in to the APA website. Some have been wanting to try MBE and have been screwed out of 2 months of MBE chances already.

 

not sure what you’re implying but current reps deciding on their own to “fleece the new hires” is not how it went down. This was a resolution introduced last summer that had been demanded by a very vocal group (primarily BTLers) and mostly anti APA crowd. It passed because that’s what the membership was demanding.

 

Well if you’re a true “ALPA” person-it’s no surprise to me that you have no idea as to what earned seniority is. Listen, if you’ve worked at an airline for thirteen years, then you’re furloughed for four years due largely to 9/11 plus poor management-then merge-should your work and sacrifice be erased? Did the 5,700+ pilots whom were placed ahead of me on the seniority list whom were employed by the airline up to 9 years and 11 months fewer than me be afforded the attrition and seniority they were granted? This is analogous to serving your first ten years with an airline and sending you back to indoc and placing all of those hired after you ahead of you. Ask yourself: how did those whom received this windfall have such powerful years with the company? Does your years of work amount to less than that of any other pilot group? Or, can we erase them? Funny how out of all of the harm that ALPA has caused my career you chose this issue to chime in on. I guess as long as it doesn’t happen to you then it’s ok. No need to seriously examine the true fortitude of ALPA. Ignoring their factual history is the only way to sell the dark history which is purely them.