All that stuff is nice, total earnings and retirement account balances matter at the end of the career. On an annual basis though it's just the cash compensation that matters because that's how you pay your bills. That number for 3rd year FO is about $225k without consistent premium trips every month. Decent living but pretty far from rock star level and I think we earn every penny of it. The days are mostly long, the sleep schedule is rarely consistent and short when it is.

I did 225 on second year pay without doing anything out of the ordinary.

Shortest overnight this month is 16 hours, FOs that got it awarded were 14000 numbers, super ez commutable trips, and the only thing that doesn't hit the bank account is company 401k contributions under the limit. Everything else pays out.

I got hired here in my 30s and made 35k first year. Now, it's hired in your mid-late 20's making 1/4 mil or upgrade in your early 30s. I feel like people's expectations have been skewed of what is/isn't normal for this career.

I'm not trying to downplay others experiences but the complaining that goes on is just sad to see.

Not sure what you mean by “shortest overnight this month is 16 hours?” I see plenty of 10 hour overnights?

I’m sure there are many commutable trips, but there’s also a ton of non-commutable trips to go around so not super sure what you mean there either.

Not actually sure of what you’re trying to say here to be honest.

Lmao wow look at you, that must be nice. That would have been the norm for everyone if APA had just matched DALPA’s Extended Duty beyond 10 hours: 1:1.

Hey, we’ll get ’em next time…

See if you can follow me here.

I went and looked at awarded trips, seniority is 12.5-14.2 for those getting the kind of trips I am describing.

IOW, any FO can get them. Many do not bid them, obviously they prioritize other things. And then complain here lol.

Also did not think that's what you meant. Also, we have 16.7 so to say that "anyone" can is a stretch.

Yeah still not following the “any FO can get them” thing. Lowest system is like 16xxx so that’s what, 5 years from being able to have something like that?

To your point though, they’ll be senior some day.

See, this just proves my point about unrealistic expectations. It is completely unrealistic to expect to get a line right off OE at a legacy. 2022-2023 was not a normal time.

Edit, just looked, 14.2 is 24 months on property.

Yes, they will be senior one day, and for a very long time. But they aren't now.

I don’t think anyone is expecting a line off OE. You said “any FO” and you’re right any FO can get them, after 5 years.

Any FO can also bid and be awarded WB CA too.