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Originally Posted by mostpeople
(Post 3920795)
I don’t think anyone is expecting a line off OE. You said “any FO” and you’re right any FO can get them, after 5 years.
Any FO can also bid and be awarded WB CA too. This isn't a regional where 24 months means half the company has turned over. Adjust your expectations and your life will greatly improve, and look forward to a long career as many will retire over the next five-ten years.
Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
(Post 3920790)
Also did not think that's what you meant. Also, we have 16.7 so to say that "anyone" can is a stretch.
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Originally Posted by Name User
(Post 3920788)
See if you can follow me here.
I went and looked at awarded trips, seniority is 12.5-14.2 for those getting the kind of trips I am describing. IOW, any FO can get them. Many do not bid them, obviously they prioritize other things. And then complain here lol.
Originally Posted by Name User
(Post 3920796)
I honestly didn't think I had to specify any "line holding" FO when I talking about bidding/awarded lines but that's the internet for you. Congrats, you won!
PHX and LGA have line holders in the 16's and many bases have line holders in the mid-to-high 15's. |
Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
(Post 3920812)
PHX and LGA have line holders in the 16's and many bases have line holders in the mid-to-high 15's.
The junior bases are junior for a reason. |
Originally Posted by Name User
(Post 3920742)
Shortest overnight this month is 16 hours, FOs that got it awarded were 14000 numbers, super ez commutable trips, and the only thing that doesn't hit the bank account is company 401k contributions under the limit. Everything else pays out.
I got hired here in my 30s and made 35k first year. Now, it's hired in your mid-late 20's making 1/4 mil or upgrade in your early 30s. I feel like people's expectations have been skewed of what is/isn't normal for this career. I'm not trying to downplay others experiences but the complaining that goes on is just sad to see. |
Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
(Post 3920790)
Also did not think that's what you meant. Also, we have 16.7 so to say that "anyone" can is a stretch.
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Originally Posted by tallpilot
(Post 3920832)
CLT and DFW do not. PHX 737 is an outlier but not a bad place for a new hire at the moment.
The junior bases are junior for a reason. |
Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
(Post 3920878)
Inflation. Airline pilots made more in the 70s and 80s then they do today inflation adjusted.
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
(Post 3920878)
Inflation. Airline pilots made more in the 70s and 80s then they do today inflation adjusted.
I made $107K in 2013. MD80 FO 12th year pay. The 1979 to 2013 was $192K. |
Originally Posted by Varks
(Post 3920911)
Are you sure about that. I just talked to my uncle. 1979 60K. 727 FO 12th year pay. That’s close to today $250K or so. In 1998 wide body Captain he made $200K. Today’s dollars that’s $394K. Not as much as I make NB today. $500K.
I made $107K in 2013. MD80 FO 12th year pay. The 1979 to 2013 was $192K. What we can both agree upon however is the spot price for gold being around $200 then (stable 1978) and $3400 ish now. Doing that math, he was just shy of millionaire status in today’s world. WB CA in 1998 making $2m in today’s value. |
Originally Posted by Varks
(Post 3920911)
Are you sure about that. I just talked to my uncle. 1979 60K. 727 FO 12th year pay. That’s close to today $250K or so. In 1998 wide body Captain he made $200K. Today’s dollars that’s $394K. Not as much as I make NB today. $500K.
I made $107K in 2013. MD80 FO 12th year pay. The 1979 to 2013 was $192K. The median HOUSEHOLD income in 1979 was $16,530. The median home price was $71,800 (it was $54,200 in 1977 so real estate inflation was crushing the middle class back then too). NB CA here is now a pretty good job by most historical measures (just don't look at gold or ShadowStats.com). The big question is how long will it take a new hire to get there? NB FO in a large bid status is not a very good job until 3rd+ year pay combined with lineholder status. How long to hold a line on the Bus in CLT for a new hire today? It was 2 years for someone hired 2 years ago but it won't be that fast going forward. Things are not BAD by any stretch of the imagination and pilots anywhere except another Big 3 will probably do well to come here. They need realistic expectations though and as mentioned the stories being told in this thread are for the most part not realistic for new hires today especially if they aren't particularly interested in LGA 737. |
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