Airline routes ranked by revenue: AA last.
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Interesting analysis. So B6 retains a loyal following for transcons and makes Mint. Why aren't they profitable overall?
It also shows that while connecting hubs (CLT) are profitable the big money O&D traffic is still in those big nasty cities with high taxes that Vasu and the regional airline team don't like. The XLR (assuming they fit though the door or whatever the excuse for the delay is this week) will have more and nicer premium seating than the T models. Maybe we can scrape a few more million from those routes.
It also shows that while connecting hubs (CLT) are profitable the big money O&D traffic is still in those big nasty cities with high taxes that Vasu and the regional airline team don't like. The XLR (assuming they fit though the door or whatever the excuse for the delay is this week) will have more and nicer premium seating than the T models. Maybe we can scrape a few more million from those routes.
#12
Not sure about DAL but at UAL, the plan was to have the Max10 have 20 Polaris seats to milk the premium transcon customer even more. Guess we will see if they are ever certified and delivered.
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I suspected but didn't research that Delta and United also use a few wide-bodies on those routes. Clearly that's an effective strategy.
As mentioned every single data point indicates that we either need a strategy shift or to simply admit that we like 3rd place. It's embarrassing.
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I've got just under 20 years to go, and now I'm resigned to being like Quint in Jaws, just hoping my increasing seniority outpaces management's incompetence:

The good news is I enjoy the day to day job and the people I fly with, so at least life doesn't suck while I shake my head at the operation otherwise.
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I've been here over 11 years and not once have I felt management cared about our position relative to Delta and United. There was a time where I was optimistic we'd see the money being made by Delta and try to emulate their strategy, but that hasn't been the case. And finally I figured the Board would get tired of the incompetence and make a change, but that doesn't seem to be happening either.
I've got just under 20 years to go, and now I'm resigned to being like Quint in Jaws, just hoping my increasing seniority outpaces management's incompetence.
I've got just under 20 years to go, and now I'm resigned to being like Quint in Jaws, just hoping my increasing seniority outpaces management's incompetence.
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It's amusing how many "experts" have already pre-determined this for us. The focus is always UA vs. DAL, with AA just existing in the background. Numerous aviation experts, analysts, and websites have essentially written off AA as a hybrid of an LCC and an international carrier, not even considering us in the same league as UA and DAL. At this point, it might be more strategic to operate in that manner, rather than emulate UA and DAL's spending habits while providing a product comparable to Alaska/JetBlue/Hawaiian. We've become a lot like US Airways, and I realize it's tough for some to accept that we're not on par with UA and DAL, but that's the reality, and it's unlikely to change. I wouldn't be surprised if the next bankruptcy results in contract/pay cuts, with the justification being, "We don't operate in the same category or business model as UA and DAL."
There is a long way to go but over the past 12 months there has been a noticeable shift in strategy.
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2 years ago, maybe. However, AA seems to be making direct and targeted efforts lately to begin to compete amongst UA and DL again. Buy on board offerings, new suites, enhanced meals, bringing back the second beverage service on transcons (lol…), and returned focused growth on previously forgotten hubs. I’m not saying they are competing well yet, but it is obvious they want to get out of that grey area you describe.
There is a long way to go but over the past 12 months there has been a noticeable shift in strategy.
There is a long way to go but over the past 12 months there has been a noticeable shift in strategy.
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2 years ago, maybe. However, AA seems to be making direct and targeted efforts lately to begin to compete amongst UA and DL again. Buy on board offerings, new suites, enhanced meals, bringing back the second beverage service on transcons (lol…), and returned focused growth on previously forgotten hubs. I’m not saying they are competing well yet, but it is obvious they want to get out of that grey area you describe.
There is a long way to go but over the past 12 months there has been a noticeable shift in strategy.
There is a long way to go but over the past 12 months there has been a noticeable shift in strategy.
We really are the Stellantis of the airlines and slowly moving towards being the Kia.
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I highly doubt that’s ever going to happen, but if outspoken AA critics like Gary Leff were suggesting it, then there is some truth to the boat turning.
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