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JulesWinfield 12-23-2025 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Setspeed (Post 3984678)
Had the DL bennies back in the day and I can’t tell you how many times I thought I was getting on a flight home only to have 20 people list ahead of me 2-3 hours before departure time.

Same. You're also junior to gate agents hired during the Regan administration, too.


Originally Posted by game (Post 3984821)
If it’s not occupied by a DAL FA, DAL pilots are authorized to occupy FA jumpseats, on both domestic and international flights.

Curious: what happens at AA when you list for an AA flight and then shortly before departure an IROP hits and you’re forced to change your listing to another flight. Do you keep your original “seniority” you had on the standby list for the TU flight or do you get forced to the bottom of the new flight you list for?

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You can have the gate agents roll it over, or you can change to a D1 pass, but in the case of an IROP, you're probably hosed either way.

Bigpimppilot 12-24-2025 02:14 AM


Originally Posted by Thumper7 (Post 3984219)
Absolute push over. “Who cares”. This is literally my point. Its just pathetic

why would an American ramper that works very hard every day and just wants to visit his dying mother have to be on the standby list behind some new hire fos screaming 3 year old?

ImSoSuss 12-24-2025 03:35 AM

How out of touch do you have to be to think there are pilots out there who still work for "Eagle"?

khergan 12-24-2025 03:43 AM

You don't want to see what it looks like with pure seniority space A travel. Imagine you're commuting, and the night before there are 15 seats. You put in for both a jumpseat and a seat in the back.

When you show up to the airport, you all of a sudden see that there are 20 listed for the 15 seats, 3/4 of which are 1990s hires FAs, their 20-year old kids, and their spouses, and a handful of senior captains. You're out of luck for the back of the plane. The jumpseat only shows you, though. You're going to make it!

Then, as you're waiting for a flight to board, a senior captain with a mustache, cell phone holster and tasseled penny loafers shows up at gate. He proceeds to grab the jump seat, and you're left stranded for your commute. The best you might get from him is a "sorry bud, best luck next time".

Many such cases. Don't ask for this, because it's hell.

Busdriver999 12-24-2025 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3984884)
How out of touch do you have to be to think there are pilots out there who still work for "Eagle"?

Envoy captains make what $200+ish an hour now. Yup. It ain't eagle anymore.

Montcalm 12-24-2025 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by rockelino (Post 3984819)
That's industry norm as far as I know, not AAL only problem.

It isn’t.

Delta, Southwest, JetBlue, Spirit, Frontier, and other carriers allow pilots to use cabin jumpseats.

APTAP 12-24-2025 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3984884)
How out of touch do you have to be to think there are pilots out there who still work for "Eagle"?

I could be wrong- usually am- but it I think the author of the title of this thread and anyone else referring to “Eagle” just didn’t want to type out “wholly-owned” or Envoy/PSA/Piedmont. I don’t think they are out of touch (with who works for whom) at all. I think it was probably just easier/lazier to say “Eagle”.

We all know who “eagle” pilots work for.

WiFly 12-24-2025 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by Montcalm (Post 3984943)
It isn’t.

Delta, Southwest, JetBlue, Spirit, Frontier, and other carriers allow pilots to use cabin jumpseats.

The FA jumpseat issue is a legitimate problem, but it's entirely caused by the FA union APFA. The FAs intentionally lock pilots out of the jumpseat in a spiteful attempt to get flight deck jumpseat access. This is what happens when there's no quality control on FA conduct.

I'm willing to bet the company would prefer pilots have access to empty FA jumpseats since it would improve reliability and reduce commuter misses.

Montcalm 12-24-2025 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by WiFly (Post 3984969)
The FA jumpseat issue is a legitimate problem, but it's entirely caused by the FA union APFA. The FAs intentionally lock pilots out of the jumpseat in a spiteful attempt to get flight deck jumpseat access. This is what happens when there's no quality control on FA conduct.

I'm willing to bet the company would prefer pilots have access to empty FA jumpseats since it would improve reliability and reduce commuter misses.

Agreed. Absolutely childish.

AllYourBaseAreB 12-24-2025 08:15 AM

The APFA swooping in to piggyback our weight restricted jumpseat clause we negotiated was awesome too…


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