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Old 02-01-2026 | 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DVNO
Break it down for me.
It’s a much heavier aircraft and with the neo engines has a lot of excess performance that isn’t being utilized on low passenger count short haul routes. It’s a fine aircraft but it’s just a product of airline economics of the 90s and early 2000s. The 319 is much more suited for short runway high altitude airports. The A220 is much more economical in the day to day operations.
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Old 02-01-2026 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainman37
It’s a much heavier aircraft and with the neo engines has a lot of excess performance that isn’t being utilized on low passenger count short haul routes. It’s a fine aircraft but it’s just a product of airline economics of the 90s and early 2000s. The 319 is much more suited for short runway high altitude airports. The A220 is much more economical in the day to day operations.
The NEO does not have anymore thrust than the CEO. The performance gain is the ability to carry less fuel.
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Old 02-01-2026 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The NEO does not have anymore thrust than the CEO. The performance gain is the ability to carry less fuel.
Slightly more thrust than a CFM/IAE 319ceo with the Leap-1A24 but equal to the CFM sharklet CFM56-5B7 with the Leap-1A27. Add the less fuel required onboard and equal to slightly more thrust and you go back to my point of more performance. I wasn’t specifically talking about thrust only
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Old 02-01-2026 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The NEO does not have anymore thrust than the CEO. The performance gain is the ability to carry less fuel.
That still makes it less efficient and more expensive to operate than its larger siblings on a CASM basis. Lease rates are also high because of its predicted low value on the second hand market compared with the 320neo. But then again American was still taking delivery of the lame duck 787-8 until like yesterday.
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Old 02-01-2026 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainman37
It’s a much heavier aircraft and with the neo engines has a lot of excess performance that isn’t being utilized on low passenger count short haul routes. It’s a fine aircraft but it’s just a product of airline economics of the 90s and early 2000s. The 319 is much more suited for short runway high altitude airports. The A220 is much more economical in the day to day operations.
What you can do with the 319neo you can do with the 737-8. And carry 44(?) more people.

The 319 costs almost the same as a 321 but with 60 less pax. Its trip costs are slightly less of course because it's BOW is less, but it's not that much more to run a 321 and the casm is significantly less.
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Old 02-02-2026 | 12:01 PM
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What you can do with the 319neo you can do with the 737-8. And carry 44(?) more people.

The 319 costs almost the same as a 321 but with 60 less pax. Its trip costs are slightly less of course because it's BOW is less, but it's not that much more to run a 321 and the casm is significantly less.
Exactly. AA isnt looking for more 319s. We are just squeezing every last penny with the ones we already paid for till they cant go anymore.

AA loves the 73-8. They'll do what a 319 can with more butts for more $$$.
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Old 02-03-2026 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
As a frequent AA flyer that will be a nice change. I try and avoid booking the A319 as upgrades are rare. Sadly when the 757’s were parked it became the only aircraft AA uses into STT.
MIA to STT is on a Max. CLT, JFK, and DFW are all 319S.
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Old 02-04-2026 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Name User
What you can do with the 319neo you can do with the 737-8. And carry 44(?) more people.

be comfortable
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Old 02-04-2026 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Beech Dude
Exactly. AA isnt looking for more 319s. We are just squeezing every last penny with the ones we already paid for till they cant go anymore.

AA loves the 73-8. They'll do what a 319 can with more butts for more $$$.
This^^^

From what I understand, a new 319neo sells for close to a 321. Airbus production slots are sold out for quite a while, so no reason to discount, and production costs are similar anyway.

Happy to be shown the error of my ways if I’m wrong.
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Old 02-04-2026 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver
This^^^

From what I understand, a new 319neo sells for close to a 321. Airbus production slots are sold out for quite a while, so no reason to discount, and production costs are similar anyway.

Happy to be shown the error of my ways if I’m wrong.
you are spot on…
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