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Old 04-05-2012 | 07:10 AM
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Old 04-05-2012 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Not all TWA pilots were stapled. Not sure of the exact amount, but perhaps the bottom half was stapled. Some were furloughed and some chose (as opposed to being "sent") to go to Eagle as captains at 18 year pay.
46% integrated at 1:8, 54% stapled.
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Old 04-05-2012 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by aa73
46% integrated at 1:8, 54% stapled.
Crappy IMHO.

Imagine CAL did this to UAL, since UAL was a bankrupt mess and they BOUGHT UAL.

What if USAIR does this to AA saying they saved them out of BK??

Just bad karma but I am just some dumb punk.
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Old 04-05-2012 | 11:54 AM
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The legislation, known as the McCaskill-Bond statute, was signed into law in December 2007 and is codified at 49 U.S.C. § 42112.

The statute applies when two or more air carriers are involved in a "covered transaction," described as:

A transaction for the combination of multiple air carriers into a single air carrier; and which
Involves the transfer of ownership or control of—
50 percent or more of the equity securities (as defined in section 101 of title 11, United States Code) of an air carrier; or
50 percent or more (by value) of the la la la la la

The top of the list would probably be mostly American guys (due to the 777s) and then slotted by equipment. The NIC would most likely be recognized unless the arbitrator (assuming it goes that far) chooses to deviate greatly from the legal status quo. If you don't bring a seat at the time of the merger (furloughs) they would most be put on the bottom (bad for the furloughs, better slotting for the active AA though).

My aviation lawyer friend said the probability of this outcome is about 95%. He wasn't sure about fences.
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Old 04-05-2012 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MayDaze
My aviation lawyer friend said the probability of this outcome is about 95%. He wasn't sure about fences.
It's obvious your lawyer friend hasn't heard of the "great" usapa, their CB&L's trump federal law, just ask them. lol. Seriously I agree with you, I would also think that pay will also be taken into effect which will benefit AA guys. If usapa was smart they would get a contract pronto, and argue for credit for the higher attrition rate, but they aren't very smart and will have to argue for DOH as required by the CB&l's they put into place.
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Old 04-05-2012 | 03:06 PM
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If BA doesn't fork over enough to keep the unions on board - AA employees will gladly merge with US Air.
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Old 04-05-2012 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
It's obvious your lawyer friend hasn't heard of the "great" usapa, their CB&L's trump federal law, just ask them. lol. Seriously I agree with you, I would also think that pay will also be taken into effect which will benefit AA guys. If usapa was smart they would get a contract pronto, and argue for credit for the higher attrition rate, but they aren't very smart and will have to argue for DOH as required by the CB&l's they put into place.
Agreed, USAPA put us in a bad merger situation and they're too stupid to even realize it. Wouldn't be a staple, but my guess would be that we'd be placed toward the bottom of a combined AA/US list.
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Old 04-06-2012 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by aa73
46% integrated at 1:8, 54% stapled.
Starting with #1 TWA moving to #2597 AA
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Old 04-07-2012 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingtips
Crappy IMHO.

Imagine CAL did this to UAL, since UAL was a bankrupt mess and they BOUGHT UAL.

What if USAIR does this to AA saying they saved them out of BK??

Just bad karma but I am just some dumb punk.
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I am just providing the facts. Not here to say what was fair and what wasn't. Can it happen to the AA pilot group? You bet.
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Old 04-07-2012 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by aa73
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I am just providing the facts. Not here to say what was fair and what wasn't. Can it happen to the AA pilot group? You bet.
Your a really good guy, if this industry was full of guys like you, we would all have much QOL.

I dont think it will because the laws have changed a bit, someone can provide all this, but I am sure you have read it.

I am starting to become scared the USAIR deal is going to happen, as labor joins the movement.

I hope not as it will be a nail in Eagles coffin.

If the economy starts to pick up a bit more, and oil goes into its next cycle of dipping back down, maybe not.
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