Patience, 23rd we find out about the courts decision to void pilot contract or not ...

 

Actually, that decision wont come till the first week of June provided no consensual agreements have been reached by then.

On the "death comment", thankfully, death is not the end and life does indeed go after retirement.

There's Joy in the journey !

 

I read the article in beachstreet news.....VERY interesting!

cliff
GRB

 

Not that there is anything wrong with blogs, but there isnt one sentence that isnt based on rumor and hearsay(the word 'rumor' appears 6 times). No quotations of sources or info that you and I couldnt make up on APC. I read that blog post as something entertaining, as I would read something posted on here by any of us. It certainly doesnt fall into the credible information category for me personally. Consider your sources and take it with a grain of salt.

 

its just hard love guys!! Dont take it too personal!

I am just here to troll on eaglecry!

 

It does not!

The retirement piece becomes a 13.5 percent DC plan. There's is a slight reduction in pay for some of the buckets (btw, ask the NWA guys how much they took in pay cuts during their BK process!). There are changes to work rules, benefits, and scope.

Guys, I'm not offering up a pretty picture here, this is tough going. But when I hear how Mr Parker and Kirby are going to save us all while at the same time citing 1.5-2.0 billion in cost savings(over and above what AA has already laid out) and increased revenue, I don't buy it!

Folks will always hear what they choose to hear throughout this process, but there are no easy answers!

Sustained profitability = healthy company.....period! All else is a smokescreen!!

 

Yes, unprovoked personal attacks and picking fights with me has always been something you enjoy. Let's not start another pointless tit-for-tat shall we ?

 

Eaglefly,

If life to come at AA is as bad as you're proclaiming it will be, the best thing is for all the junior guys to leave!

Clearly, the senior guys are in a comfortable place and won't be going anywhere. A combined operation with US will have an even more senior pilot group. What's a junior pilot to do; decide that the pilot career isn't worth it and move to another part of corporate America or elsewhere.

When you cut past all the emotion and rhetoric, mine included, you gotta admit this is a great career field.

For those of you who haven't read it, I suggest "Fate is the Hunter". You'll realize these arguments and discussions about the career field we've collectively chosen have been going on since the dawn of commercial aviation!

 

Actually, there ARE no guarantees now. Termination of the A plan is still a possibility (now or in the future) and the B-plan is proposed to be dumped into the pathetic Supersaver 401(k) which many believe to be a vehicle as much for the interests of AMR and JPM, then for those whose money is in it.

But, it's clear as a SUPPOSEDLY senior pilot whose appears his only interest is milking out your final 5 years or so, you'd just be concerned with your situation and not the remainder of the disaster the majority will have to endure for the next 10-15 years. The pension issue, is but one issue and for those who have another 10-15 years, it's not that simple.

Yes, "getting yours" is obviously what you're about as who cares about what's in your rear-view mirror ?

This forum doesn't have any impact anyway. What has the impact is what's happening and believed among those on the line and within the APA and from that standpoint, IMO you have little sympathy.

IMO, Horton won't have a "healthy company" as he will have hopelessly poisoned the well in a service-oriented business. Additionally, it appears the media, analysts and a growing number of creditors are angling toward what the employees already know, that the plan so far doesn't address AMR's PRIMARY problem, that of revenue generation. AMR is simply on a scortched-earth game plan of labor-cost decimation and union busting.

6,500 pages of labor cost complaints is all I've seen. If you want to have an impact, why don't you tell your bosses to actually negotiate as per the chapter 11/1113 provisions, instead of embracing their "take-it-or-leave-it" attitude ?

After all, considering that 1113 which is WAY over-reaching, it's looking more and more likely not only the pilots, but all of labor is in fact going to heed AMR's demands and leave it.

Don't worry.........I doubt you'll be displaced to Philly.

 

LOL !!!

Yes, you're comfortable and aren't going anywhere and the rest of us should just leave....I get that. If I was sitting where you are (again, provided you are even a senior AA management pilot ) having never endured a furlough, stagnated at the bottom of a seniority list or likely to be sentanced to the same for the remainder of your career, it would be easy for me too to sit up on a soapbox and define everyone elses expectations.

Unfortunately, no one here (AA) is buying that anymore (including the majority of the senior). Fate is the Hunter is fine reading, but I might also add Flying the Line (both books) for those new to the industry to educate oneself on the history of airline management and union-busting tactics. I think Confessions of a Union-Buster is also necessary reading for all present and future pilots.

If one reads the latter, it frames you sir, quite nicely. Your timing, message and claims all fit perfectly into those educational materials as something to look out for. But, I'd offer you a THIRD opportunity to explain in detail how AMR's business plan would be superior to anything U (or another) might offer for the majority of us who have perhaps 15 years till retirement.

I'm all ears !