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Has the BK judge ever rejected a mainline pilot contract?

Has an airline management ever faced an Airline like US Airways that will do everything in its power to take over, has an airline management ever been faced with such a senior pilot group who most have ties to the military (pensions) and are so close to retirement. Look at what happened last fall, the 777 operation took a severe hit that is being felt today. Management can't afford for this to drag on, US Airways can put a bid out starting in Sept and this will only put more pressure on AMR, there is a reason AMR now has 5.1 Billion dollars in the bank!

TO your answer for a no vote, have you looked at the code share and SCOPE, have you seen how the pay banding and current airframes vs future aircraft will affect their pay? The devil will be in the details but I will expect it to not be great and the membership to vote it down.

lolwut

What does this latest development mean for a potential US/AA merger? Has US lost the pilots' union support?

tomgoodman

Even if they actually want you to reject it? If so, that is a stupid rule.

Mink

I keep hearing that, but...

Sliceback

APA still supports a merger with USAIR.

eaglefly

My reasons are too numerous to list. As far as pay losses and furloughs;

- Allows up to 400 furloughs as soon as we ratify (perhaps more before that) and another 400 if they announce a merger. That's 800 furloughs and possibly more, leaving 7200 pilots (possibly less). AMR estimated 1400 furloughs, APA 2000, so plan on max ability to furlough.

- The bulk of the narrowbody domestic fleet slated for replacement will be S80 and 757 which are Group III and group IV aircraft (pay rate). They will be replaced mostly with A319 and some A321. A319 is Group II pay, so figure a minimum of 400 captains (possibly more) get the chop to F/O = pay cut, A majority of the pilot group will soon fly Group II A319 which is below all pay they've received to date (S80 pays more), so figure several thousand will transition to the lowest paying aircraft on the AA scale = pay cut.

Of course, furloughees get a 100% pay cut.

If I were to go into all the areas where this "deal" is essentially no better then the 1113 term sheet (TA is 214 pages), I'd fry the website.........'nuff said.

eaglefly

Four Airbuses are taxiing out for takeoff in 2013. One Jet Blue, One Frontier, One Delta and One American. What's each Captains' hourly wage (assuming equal seniority at 12 years) ?

Jet Blue - $164
Frontier - $156
Delta - $161 (soon to up)
American - $147

The former 737/S80 captains flying it (fairly senior) took a $23/hour downgrade. Virtually all the F/O's will be back to 20 years seniority and climbing. In fact, projecting forward on AA shrinking (while Eagle and code-shaeres expand taking more of our domesitc network), it would surprise me to see AA have 25 year F/O's by 2017 (perhaps earlier).

That's what 4% pay RATE bump on the TA will almost certainly produce...........a pay LOSS in reality due to the other provisions.

Upgrades going forward ?

Uh-huh........sure.

eaglefly

If we merge with U, that brings the combined domestic fleet to about 820 aircraft. TA allows up to 75% of that for RJ's = 615 RJ's. Add ANOTHER 400 aircraft of any size outsourced as code-share, NOT INCLUDING Alaska which would be unrestricted.

These numbers will come down as the combined AA/U likely shrinks (ALL deliveries through 2018 have been announced as replacement only and most likely more will go then arrive, i.e., S80, 757/767-200 elimination), but you can see from a career standpoint, an AA pilots (present or future) is dead as a doornail for many years. It's a 6-year deal with option to section 6 at 4 years, but AMR successfully stalled for 5 years (and could have gone a lot more), so in effect, it's a 10-15 year deal or basically the last contract for 90% of AA pilots.

mvndc10

Vote NO......

AMR has to get a agreement with the APA before their management can cash in on the exit BK.....Screw Them.....

swaayze

IMO the APA BOD did the most prudent thing in barely (9-7, manufactured I imagine - a nice vote of duty but no confidence) allowing the membership to determine their own fate (and getting 6 more weeks of status quo, btw). Let's face it, this is a sham bankruptcy designed to bust the unions and the company holds the best cards. If it wasn't sent out for a vote my money's that the terms would've been imposed today. It sucks but it is what it is. If it's voted down expect the judge to rule in the company's favor.

You might say the American pilots have a choice: **** sandwich (terms) or ss w/ cheese and condiments (TA).