johnso29

Well ya know sometimes you have to double check that flight plan. Especially on those RNAV departures. You don't want to cause a potential mid air collision. Safety first.

ForeverFO

It continues to amaze me how management continues to assume we'll start sucking our thumbs, crying quietly, and simply crawl back into our little cockpits, flying as usual under those horrendous terms. "Guys, we lost. The judge said so. Let's just give up and be thankful."

The money lost in the upcoming months by AMR would go a long way towards paying for a decent contract. But they'd rather see us suffer. Instead of negotiating after the NO vote, what we are seeing is simply punishment.

B757200ER

Instead of DIRECT anywhere, just request "FLIGHT PLAN ROUTE"!

Mink

How's the operation running? With the help of make up flyers...

Disgraceful.

DashDriverYV

Here in DFW the operation seems to be orange. Accurate?

ForeverFO

I've been averaging maybe 66 hours a month for over a decade. In 20 years I have not taken a single make-up trip. Not one. I fly my line, usually less than my line.

But yeah there are make-up guys. I cannot condemn them all, because each and every one has a different motivation. I know one guy whose wife is terminal AND he's taking care of his aging (and incoherent/alzheimer) mother. The guy needs the $$. Many examples of life situations where there is little other option.

But those that are still doing it because they need the bux for their new boat payment - pi$$ off to you.

One of the problems we'll face is the inevitable, shrill "STATUS QUO! STATUS QUO!" that will come from management in federal court. I'm still baffled at how judges think they can force guys to fly overtime. Last I heard, slavery was abolished in the USA.

TANSTAAFL

And NWA took the MEC to court for a cease and desist and lost because the MEC had taken great pains to tell pilots not to do anything unprofessional. They also got lucky. Both AMR and UAL have lost on that count before. Also in NWA's case it had more to do with a ridiculously draconian SL policy together with a even more ridiculously unrealistic staffing formula that left the operation running at redline with no flex. Recall the fix was to change the SL policy.

Rolf

For you lawyer types,

The burden of proof rests with the company to show a work slowdown is taking place? It seems that as long as the union isn't involved in any way, it would be hard to find them quilty of same.

Best of luck,

Rolf

justjack

I completely agree and your opinion would seem to encourage rational behavior. Sadly,however, given the U.S. corporate culture, the RLA, and by judging what happened when the USAirways pilots lost "enthusiasm", the creditors will most likely give Horton an "attaboy!" The courts will back Horton and punish labor and no one in either our government or our citizenry will see the need for change.

justjack

This is not a rhetorical question. Haven't these tactics on the part of airline management been completely successful in the past? Is there anything else left to do, legally, except walk away from the profession or take what management offers? Are these management teams significantly different from Lorenzo and Icahn?