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Flyby1206 09-19-2012 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by jabone (Post 1263555)
Passenger here -

Not happy much at all over all of this.

Ticket agents, gate agents and the like are all getting beat up.

Curious how this affects you as a passenger and your future travel plans with AA. Would you fly them again? Do you have frequent flier status on AA?

Roger Murdock 09-19-2012 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1263560)
So don't do business with a corporation who believes in legalized rape of it's employees. Problem solved.

Amen to that!

jabone 09-19-2012 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 1263561)
Curious how this affects you as a passenger and your future travel plans with AA. Would you fly them again? Do you have frequent flier status on AA?

It really depends on how long the disruptions continue and if it impacts my business. Being delayed on the flight out where all I lose is an hour in a hotel room isn't horrible. Missing a meeting, getting stranded away from home on a Friday evening, etc will begin to move the frustration needle.

Yes I am an EXPLT. As an EXPLT AA has been very good to me and kept me in moving whenever normal IROPS happen. I don't live in a hub city so I have two main choices if I don't count WN. If the other carrier makes me an offer to switch and I may consider, but not sure I am at the point I would listen right now.

aewanabe 09-19-2012 02:28 PM

Although most of us are sympathetic to the disruption of your individual plans, individual customers at this point are the casualties of an antiquated labor law system that allows management to freely gut career expectations with little recourse. I submit that a carrier that has openly declared warfare on its employees is unlikely to experience exemplary service and reliability as a result.

eaglefly 09-19-2012 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by aewanabe (Post 1263600)
Although most of us are sympathetic to the disruption of your individual plans, individual customers at this point are the casualties of an antiquated labor law system that allows management to freely gut career expectations with little recourse. I submit that a carrier that has openly declared warfare on its employees is unlikely to experience exemplary service and reliability as a result.

.....especially when it's been going on for close to a decade. One could argue that under those circumstances , sooner or later these chickens will come home to roost and it appears there is finally a pecking sound on the front door.

whaledriver1 09-19-2012 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 1261712)
They are about to implement "overfly shall be cancelled by underfly" policy. Gee, wonder how pilots will get around that? ;) My understanding is that NWA tried that and their pilots started "BOB" (Block Or Better) and management stopped it shortly thereafter.


Yes, you are correct... during the BOB days the NWA pilot group slowed daily ops to an absolute crawl. It seemed that 99.9% of the pilots performed BOB and NWA mgt changed its tune over night. The only way for this type of thing to work is to have the entire AA pilot group working together.

Ball Breaker 09-20-2012 03:12 AM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 1261712)
They are about to implement "overfly shall be cancelled by underfly" policy. Gee, wonder how pilots will get around that? ;) My understanding is that NWA tried that and their pilots started "BOB" (Block Or Better) and management stopped it shortly thereafter.



Underfly? What the hell is Underfly? There shall be no such thing!

ForeverFO 09-20-2012 06:07 AM

Our local radio megastation WBAP is going ballistic right now with the talk show host reaming the pilots... again.

We knew this was going to happen. It's getting ugly.

LittleBoyBlew 09-20-2012 06:26 AM

Time for ALL pilots to draw a line in the sand. Not just AA pilots but ALL other airlines as well. It is time to educate the general public that our professions downward spiral has/will trickle down to ALL other industries as well. All other organized labor groups, regardless of industry, are feeling the rape and demise of working agreements that have taken decades to achieve.
This struggle is not just about the AA pilots, its about ALL US LABOR!!
As pilots WE have failed miserably in educating the masses how our struggle is in many ways the same struggle as teachers, firemen, police, auto industry workers, ALL pensioned employees, etc, etc.
The general public will not sympathise with OUR cause unless we educate them on how parallel ours is to "their" cause.
"Today its ME, tomorrow will be YOU"

tsquare 09-20-2012 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew (Post 1263837)
Time for ALL pilots to draw a line in the sand. Not just AA pilots but ALL other airlines as well. It is time to educate the general public that our professions downward spiral has/will trickle down to ALL other industries as well. All other organized labor groups, regardless of industry, are feeling the rape and demise of working agreements that have taken decades to achieve.
This struggle is not just about the AA pilots, its about ALL US LABOR!!
As pilots WE have failed miserably in educating the masses how our struggle is in many ways the same struggle as teachers, firemen, police, auto industry workers, ALL pensioned employees, etc, etc.
The general public will not sympathise with OUR cause unless we educate them on how parallel ours is to "their" cause.
"Today its ME, tomorrow will be YOU"

Yesterday it was me. The day before it was United. The day before that it was USAir. Where were you then?


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