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Elvis90 09-20-2012 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by jabone (Post 1264158)
As a consumer what should I know?

Whatever is going on has impacted my travel. On the outbound I got within two hours of my destination and my return has been canceled.

I prefer to fly when the cockpit is full of happy people.

I don't have a 60 hour a month job nor do I have a great 401k matching program (pension- dont even know what that means. )

So help the unwashed understand why we should care.

You should care precisely because it has impacted your travel. I see you a total of 3 posts - who are you? What is your background?

OK, I see you have answered that in posts 1 and 2. If you have an agreement, either with a client, or a boss or a company, do you not expect that contract to be honored? Do you pay your bills? AMR has not with respect to its pilots.

TQ Nola 09-20-2012 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by jabone (Post 1264158)
As a consumer what should I know?

Whatever is going on has impacted my travel. On the outbound I got within two hours of my destination and my return has been canceled.

I prefer to fly when the cockpit is full of happy people.

I don't have a 60 hour a month job nor do I have a great 401k matching program (pension- dont even know what that means. )

So help the unwashed understand why we should care.

I fly for AA and I don't have either one of those things either. 60 hours a month? Even when a pilot only gets paid for 60 hours in a month, there are many, many hours we work that we don't get paid. It sounds like you think we beam into the cockpit then beam out after taxiing in to the gate. Educate yourself. Don't come in here and repeat corporate talking points. This is not the audience for that.

eaglefly 09-20-2012 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by jabone (Post 1264158)
As a consumer what should I know?

Whatever is going on has impacted my travel. On the outbound I got within two hours of my destination and my return has been canceled.

I prefer to fly when the cockpit is full of happy people.

I don't have a 60 hour a month job nor do I have a great 401k matching program (pension- dont even know what that means. )

So help the unwashed understand why we should care.

Most of the pilots I know fly a lot more then 60 hours/month. Most put in 40 hours/week when all aspects of their duties are included. AA pilots will soon have zero 401(k) matching and to get industry standard 401(k), they'd have to make massive sacrifices in multiple other areas. I think you've been suckered in by too many wives tales.

But all that aside, if you're having that many problems, perhaps it's time to reevaluate the viability of your travel situation instead of complaining on pilot web boards ?

XtremeF150 09-20-2012 06:59 PM

You know Mr. Bone it is hard to trust someone that shows up late to the party claiming not to be undercover but having to much inside info.
Your knowledge of airline codes and our lingo is puzzling. Maybe you are legit but it looks like your are attempting a fire fight at first glance.

lowflying 09-20-2012 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 1264189)
You know Mr. Bone it is hard to trust someone that shows up late to the party claiming not to be undercover but having to much inside info.
Your knowledge of airline codes and our lingo is puzzling. Maybe you are legit but it looks like your are attempting a fire fight at first glance.

Regardless of their intent; this thread's original course has been derailed by our friend.

Your health and the safe operation of your aircraft are the only things that count in these trying times.

WHACKMASTER 09-21-2012 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Rolf (Post 1261882)
For you lawyer types,

The burden of proof rests with the company to show a work slowdown is taking place? It seems that as long as the union isn't involved in any way, it would be hard to find them quilty of same.

Best of luck,

Rolf

Unfortunately, you boys are giving them plenty to print out and bring to court. Of that I assure you.............from experience no less.

However, there comes a time when enough corruption's enough and it's time to start throwing the @$#%ing tea in the harbor. When's the first picketing event?

LittleBoyBlew 09-21-2012 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by jabone (Post 1264158)
As a consumer what should I know?

Whatever is going on has impacted my travel. On the outbound I got within two hours of my destination and my return has been canceled.

I prefer to fly when the cockpit is full of happy people.

I don't have a 60 hour a month job nor do I have a great 401k matching program (pension- dont even know what that means. )

So help the unwashed understand why we should care.

Another "Perfect example" of how ignorant the flying public is. Most think that we press a "fly" and "land" button...
Perhaps a documentary on the life of a "professional airline pilot" needs to air. If Jersey shore can get on the tube, perhaps the piloting profession might have a chance. We need to educate the public about the 16 hr duty days, the reduced rest overnights, the crash pads, the loss of vacation, pay, retirement, missed births, birth-days, anniversaries, X-mas, New years, kids ball games, poor diet, irregular bowel movements, DVTs, check rides, medicals, doctors notes for calling in sick, life expectancy, TSA harassment!! etc,etc,etc....
99.9% of the flying public knows more about Snooky and lady gaga, than the job/lifestyle of those who run the front office, and so diligently perform their duty to guarantee their safety and all those on board....

WHACKMASTER 09-21-2012 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1263989)
Don't get me wrong. I think it would be wonderful for all pilot groups to stand up and say 'enough'. The problem is that we all have differing goals and objectives, and unfortunately there are some that are on top and some on the bottom at any given time. It will always be hard to get those on top to sacrifice themselves for "the Cause". How do you propose making that happen? While sympathetic to the AMR pilots' cause, I'm not gonna jump off a cliff to bolster their argument... sorry.. I just won't, and while few will admit this, many feel exactly the same way. I'd support you financially if you were part of my union.. but you chose the independent route. Maybe there will be some reconciliation between the AMR pilots and ALPA.. but time will tell. Maybe that safety in numbers thing...?

To compare this to other labor is a bit of a stretch though. Most private labor groups have already been through this and private corporate labor unionism is at a very low percentage these days. The problem here is public labor unions. Sorry, but I hope the Chicago teachers get their asses handed to them. Our children in this country are getting a pathetic education, and it is a direct result of these groups. America is becoming stupid, and we all know the reason. As a taxpayer, I am not getting my money's worth there.


I agree with a lot of your points T, but wrt to AMR and ALPA I can only chuckle. ALPA is getting what they deserve (insert sidenote: I used to be a VERY strong ALPA supporter), and I'd laugh my ass off if the DPA got voted in. Perhaps then Mr. Bruce York and his legal cronies would then wake up and realize that they actually have to give a rat's ass about the pilots they represent. Until then they can continue to lose pilot groups.

Back to the original thread topic.........

WHACKMASTER 09-21-2012 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by jabone (Post 1264158)
As a consumer what should I know?

Whatever is going on has impacted my travel. On the outbound I got within two hours of my destination and my return has been canceled.

I prefer to fly when the cockpit is full of happy people.

I don't have a 60 hour a month job nor do I have a great 401k matching program (pension- dont even know what that means. )

So help the unwashed understand why we should care.

IF you are a member of the traveling public and NOT management, then allow me to just state that the cheap airfares (subsidized by employee wages.......of course, just like the high fuel bills that the airlines are/have been facing) have caused us to lose a lot of sympathy towards the flying public. Although, I sense that again IF you are part of the traveling public and not management, then most of your travels involve business and not the $199RT to FL.

Airline employees have watched their professions go down the schitter while the traveling public has been able to fly cheaper than what it costs them in gas to drive to their destination. That last part is just plain WRONG. From the Northeast to FL should be no less than $300RT, to the West Coast $500RT, and to Europe a least a grand RT, but I digress.....

You prefer to fly with happy pilots? Guess what? Your pilots would prefer to be happy, but they along with our profession have been raped by management with the help of the courts for about three decades now. Perhaps you can understand that in our own little world there comes a time when enough's enough. Think..........the movie Falling Down. You can only push people so far and this profession's been pushed enough. Hopefully the wheels start coming off the bus so we can perhaps reverse the course a little.

You also still hold this perception of the airline piloting career that was true perhaps 30-40 years ago but is a complete fantasy even just 10 years ago much less today.

So what should you do regarding your travel plans on AA? Perhaps the best thing you can do is avoid traveling on them during these trying times. Maybe that'll send a message to their management.

tsquare 09-21-2012 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 1264317)
I agree with a lot of your points T, but wrt to AMR and ALPA I can only chuckle. ALPA is getting what they deserve (insert sidenote: I used to be a VERY strong ALPA supporter), and I'd laugh my ass off if the DPA got voted in. Perhaps then Mr. Bruce York and his legal cronies would then wake up and realize that they actually have to give a rat's ass about the pilots they represent. Until then they can continue to lose pilot groups.

Back to the original thread topic.........

I totally respect YOUR POV Whack.... I don't think ALPA is going anywhere though. Actually I am not as much a koolaid ALPA guy as my posts come across as, but I see no viable alternative. Just as with our most recent TA, the no vote had no alternative.. just anger. Not a good plan. As you said, back to the OP.


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