American, progress w APA, deal by Nov 1
11-01-2012, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
it appears much of the APA leadership remains out of touch with the pilots who sent THEM a message as much as they did AMR with the faliure of the first TA. Perhaps a "groundhog day" moment is in order. Should that occur, I'd expect many of the reps to be recalled and months of delay for another chance at any type of consensual agreement, unless the UCC just plows ahead with Horton wthout the pilots or punts to Parker with the pilots.
11-02-2012, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Night Hawk 6
APA leadership(?) out of touch, say it ain't so. Unfortunately the membership is out of touch as are most members of the airline pilot profession. Relying on negotiating tactics and associations designed in the 1930's for a regulated industry is what is out of touch. Working under the thumb of government regulations written in 1926 is out of touch. Pilots refuse to take the action necessary to protect and promote their profession thus you see pilots reduced to bus driver status in the eyes of their employers, fellow employees and the general public. The entire pilot profession should have taken action the moment the first pilot lost the first dime due to a bankruptcy ruling, but we all know what happened, nothing. Very sad.
I doubt AA will be able or willing to afford me then.
11-02-2012, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Heard a rumor that talks have broken down. Progress was made on the little stuff, but once they got to pay/scope/etc there was no movement.
The "Chihuahua Brigade" has recessed in DFW for the weekend ........again. They were suckered by AMR again into a kick-the-can facade and here we are. I'm a Parker disciple from here on out and I don't care what Horton offers anymore. I'll wait till hell freezes over under 1113 provisions to make that happen. I couldn't care less about the UCC either and I'll laugh if there future AA stock value tanks when AA emerges from BK in a shambles awith a plummeting stock price and major pilot attrition in progress.
11-02-2012, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I can't argue with a lot of this. This profession is in shambles and there's plenty of blame to go around. I hope to laugh my *** off in a few years watching airline execs trying to staff the regionals. Within a few years, the immutable laws of supply and demand will kick-in and I'll happily sell myself to the highest bidder and take no prisoners in the process.
I doubt AA will be able or willing to afford me then.
I doubt AA will be able or willing to afford me then.
Looking to Parker as a better alternative is kind of like slave who has just been sold looking for the silver lining in the fact that he will have a new master. He is still a slave.
11-02-2012, 06:59 PM
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then if as a slave i have a choice, then parker would be it. why, amr management wants to run a travel agency not an airline, parker wants to run an airline. that means in my opinion longer security with parker than amr management.
11-02-2012, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Night Hawk 6
Unfortunately there always seems to be enough folks out there willing to sit in the seat with the rap around window. Management doesn't give a rats behind about qualifications and as long as the profession allows the federal government to determine the qualifications required to sit up front, there will always be "qualified" applicants by the thousands. This is just one of the many failures of the associations the pilots have put their trust in to manage the airline pilot profession. Rumors of a pilot shortage are as old as I am, and that says something.
Looking to Parker as a better alternative is kind of like slave who has just been sold looking for the silver lining in the fact that he will have a new master. He is still a slave.
Looking to Parker as a better alternative is kind of like slave who has just been sold looking for the silver lining in the fact that he will have a new master. He is still a slave.
I can't wait to watch.
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