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Old 11-04-2012, 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
Funny that usair pilots had a new contract with only 3 open sections left back in 2007. Then they decided to boycott negotiations, kick out their union and re-open everyone of the 23 closed contract sections and start from scratch, yet Parker is to blame. Ok

This is why you've lost respect with so many pilots. You turn every thread into an east vs. west. Let it lie, going back and forth on here will solve nothing.
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:27 AM
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This is why you've lost respect with so many pilots. You turn every thread into an east vs. west. Let it lie, going back and forth on here will solve nothing.

The NIC provides for the greatest windfall ever for a pilot group. No exceptions in history.

This is the motivation of folks like boss.

Never in thier wildest dreams would this career expectation be a reallity without the aberation of the NIC. Keep in mind AWA was not an airline of choice for a career.

The old US Airways is the only reason you still hear thier callsign on the radio.

I support the east pilots to prevent the NIC from ever being a standard senority resolution on any other pilot group.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by formerdal View Post
This is why you've lost respect with so many pilots. You turn every thread into an east vs. west. Let it lie, going back and forth on here will solve nothing.
Op was providing amr pilots inacurate information re. Parker so I corrected the information. Lack of contract at Us is not Parker's doing and shouldn't be used to judge his actions on the lcc/us possible merger.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
Op was providing amr pilots inacurate information re. Parker so I corrected the information. Lack of contract at Us is not Parker's doing and shouldn't be used to judge his actions on the lcc/us possible merger.

Without rehashing the East/West positions. There are clear facts about Doug Parker's reaction to the current airline climate that speak for themselves. First the RLA dictates that contracts become amendable- they do not expire. So based on his behavior, a contract signed today will not end when the company shows an increased profit. However, if hard times are on the horizon, the company does not need a contract to get out of their obligations. Furthermore scope clauses can have devastating results if ownership laws change, if code sharing increases- any number of globalization scenarios can have profound effects on the profession. But Cacti, you go ahead and put your trust in the integrity and fair-mindedness of Doug Parker. Continue to live in that old mindset that taught us that management respected pilots- that pilots were somehow different from the rest of the labor side of the equation.
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:10 AM
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Without rehashing the East/West positions. There are clear facts about Doug Parker's reaction to the current airline climate that speak for themselves. First the RLA dictates that contracts become amendable- they do not expire. So based on his behavior, a contract signed today will not end when the company shows an increased profit. However, if hard times are on the horizon, the company does not need a contract to get out of their obligations. Furthermore scope clauses can have devastating results if ownership laws change, if code sharing increases- any number of globalization scenarios can have profound effects on the profession. But Cacti, you go ahead and put your trust in the integrity and fair-mindedness of Doug Parker. Continue to live in that old mindset that taught us that management respected pilots- that pilots were somehow different from the rest of the labor side of the equation.
I don't live in any mindset, facts are facts. The term sheet with the apa addresses the issue of "stalemate" by using binding arbitration to quickly move the process along.
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:47 PM
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Supposedly an agreement is just about finalized between AMR and APA. If and when that occurs, a 7 day review by the BOD will happen to turn it into a TA or require changes. Sounds like a few paragraphs of language are all that needs to be agreed to or so the claim.
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
I don't live in any mindset, facts are facts. The term sheet with the apa addresses the issue of "stalemate" by using binding arbitration to quickly move the process along.
By "binding" do you mean "binding" or the other kind of "binding"? You know, the binding that's not really binding.
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