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11-03-2012, 05:41 AM

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I suppose they could run 10,000 chimps through and get one potential F/O,

Not just FO's... Chimps make excellent Captains as well. The good news is, they will always take the fruit plate, and you'll get the omelette. And since they can't read, they don't mind if you do.

They can be a handful on layovers, though. And they throw poo at you if they don't like your technique.

11-03-2012, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by buddies8

then if as a slave i have a choice, then parker would be it. why, amr management wants to run a travel agency not an airline, parker wants to run an airline. that means in my opinion longer security with parker than amr management.

Robert Crandall was supposedly interested in running an airline also, but look at what those who learned at his knee have done to AA. Looking at US Air it seems as though Parker is content to run a sub par operation as long as he can keep the pilots at each others throats. Due to the way we progress based on our senority, pilots are indeed in indentured servitude to their respective employers. Yes they can quit but at what cost? Until pilots put away the 1930s' associations that do nothing but promote false loyalties and failed plans, the pilot profession will continue to flounder.

11-03-2012, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Night Hawk 6

Robert Crandall was supposedly interested in running an airline also, but look at what those who learned at his knee have done to AA. Looking at US Air it seems as though Parker is content to run a sub par operation as long as he can keep the pilots at each others throats. Due to the way we progress based on our seniority, pilots are indeed in indentured servitude to their respective employers. Yes they can quit but at what cost? Until pilots put away the 1930s' associations that do nothing but promote false loyalties and failed plans, the pilot profession will continue to flounder.

...deserves repeating.

11-03-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by eaglefly

I can't argue with a lot of this. This profession is in shambles and there's plenty of blame to go around. I hope to laugh my *** off in a few years watching airline execs trying to staff the regionals. Within a few years, the immutable laws of supply and demand will kick-in and I'll happily sell myself to the highest bidder and take no prisoners in the process.

I doubt AA will be able or willing to afford me then.

I wish that this were true. However all of the new contracts are focusing on scope for a reason. Simply make yourself a google alert for airline globalization, code sharing,liberalization, etc. The new source for the labor supply side is the world. Sure there will be a short period where there are enough trained pilots but this will not last.

11-03-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by buddies8

Not saying that there is absolutely nothing worse than Parker but make no mistake he is already working this deal in a way that he hopes will create resentment among pilots. Now that he has been told twice by a judge that he can negotiate with his own pilots he has filed a motion asking the Judge to vacate the decision. This is simply more delay tactics. Let me assure you that it would not have taken more than the airline could afford for Parker to have put enough on the table to get movement from both sides on this seniority issue. Be very careful what you wish for.

11-03-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by justjack

Funny that usair pilots had a new contract with only 3 open sections left back in 2007. Then they decided to boycott negotiations, kick out their union and re-open everyone of the 23 closed contract sections and start from scratch, yet Parker is to blame. Ok

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11-03-2012, 11:23 AM

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Cacti- I am not remotely interested in co-opting this thread. We already have plenty of threads already dedicated to that end. So I will just say to American pilots, educate yourself and do what you think is best. Far be it for me (part of the group who voted in LOA 93, although I voted NO)to presume to tell them what they should do.