Nice one Eagle, you called Cacti a deadbeat...

 

You do realize there is nothing left of the TWA route system and by protecting the TWA pilots as they did, APA damaged the careers of it's own members.

 

Negative, usapa must ask the company to terminate me, it is usapa who initiates the section 29 process not the company.

 

Well, to be honest, if I were in his shoes I'd probably be a deadbeat myself. In fact, I'm surprised any West pilot would pay those guys considering the representation they've gotten. Talk about throwing your money away on a worthless investment......

 

They have to pay, be an objector if it's too bitter of a pill to swallow. In Iraq, ISIS has the surrendering soldiers have dig their own graves. I wonder if the APA appointed Westies to represent the East if they would have any problem with it?

 

Keep telling yourself that.

Hey...if the damage APA caused its members is egregious enough, maybe Congress will create a new federal law to protect members from their own union so that never happens again! Good luck with that!

 

Telling myself what, the facts? AMR and the idiots running it destroyed a once great airline, not APA.

And lets get real, Congress never would have made the law for the pilots with the deal they had set up. If STL was still even a modest sized functional hub of 150+ flights a day, the nAAtive guys would be screaming about the quickest upgrades in the system that would be occurring there. The law is a "Revenge of the Cat Rancher" bill. APFA stapled every TWA FA at the bottom unlike APA.

 

You're right. AMR destroyed a once great airline. APA just destroyed what was left of the pilots.

There's not a lot of legislative history behind the law as it was introduced as an amendment to a budget bill. What is clear is that the actions of American's unions led to senators advocating for the displaced TWA employees. And, a majority of the US Congress agreed enough about the injustice to allow the amendment to remain and become a federal law. So, we know what the APA is capable of. And, despite what eaglefly says, that has everything to do with the current situation.

 

That's exactly what happened to US pilots with PSA(the original, not the regional for those that haven't been around very long). They got a DOH SLI and 5 years later US dismantled their entire route network. Routes gone, very senior pilots displaced in front of us.

The thing is, it wasn't the PSA pilots fault that US management handed it all to SW. Why should they have to pay for it?

 

There isn't a legislative history behind it because it was the product of two Missouri Senators of a blue-collar state that saw a great way to protect their jobs.........advocating for a vocal minority of their constituency. They slipped it in at the last minute as an amendment to an unrelated bill and as is common in Washington, it was voted on by other legislators (the typical minority who even show up to vote) who were unaware of its existence, let alone its provisions.

The only reason it has anything to do with the present situation in the manner USAPA WANTS IT TO, is the actions of USAPA. A defiant, rogue organization of a core of angry old men who reneg on virtually everything they negotiate and/or sign and are masters of revisionist history akin to tantrum-throwing infants who refuse to give their parents peace by repeatedly throwing their strained beets across the kitchen and knocking aside their high-chair tables.

Who can either trust or negotiate with that ?

So far, they've been recognized and belittled by managements, Arbitrators, Judges and other unions. One more judge is all that's needed, one can hope.