Because agreeing to "final and binding arbitration" by a neutral is just like a "blind squirrel finding a nut". You are right though, this should be in the Aol update thread.

Maybe what you need is an outside arbitrator that everyone can look at and hate instead of hating each other so here I am willing to volunteer :D a UAL outsider who has no business interfering in your virulent attacks but can't help meddling anyways . . .

1) Eagle and R and Blew: You guys are behaving immaturely. Take it to PMs.

2) The question asked by the thread starter is valid and not answered well.

3) History is not a crystal ball, but it does help show what is likely.


So what happened in the most recent UAL merger . . .

1) UALs domestic 777 replaced the 764 and 762 in the GUM-HNL market because it improved cargo lift dramatically and the 777 domestics were being under utilized in the hub to hub domestic market.

2) The 76 fleet was standardized for int'l ops including UAL's 76s that were running to Hawaii. Now the entire 76 fleet serves Europe/ South America with a standard product in the eyes of the flying public.

3) The 75-300s from CAL were moved some to the Hawaii market and some are going to domestic premium transcons.

4) The Airbus was deployed mainly on the east coast, and new 737 bases are opening on the west coast (a la UALs old TED operations)

5) The 747 was moved out of ORD to a single base in SFO for better marketing consistency and maintenance optimization.

6) We have just been told that our training location will be unified with either Houston or Denver being the likely final location.

So, you can see that fleet rationalization was definitely important to the "synergies" realization. I know DAL/NWA had similar changes but I'll leave it to 80C to meddle and answer that question if he's still around.


Next topic, flying together. CAL/UAL is now 3 years post merger; our ISL is just now being arbitrated, and arguments are scheduled to end in June and an answer expected Aug, Sep. Even then the CAL pilots have yet to be trained on the new unified flight plan so we won't be able to fly together for at least another 6 months to a year so we're looking at almost 5 years from announcement to flying together. How much more fencing is logical? I don't know . . .


Loss of pilot jobs due to synergies: We started with 6116 active UAL and 4500 or so active CAL; 3 years later we now 1000+ more pilots active on the combined list so not sure that loss of pilot jobs is a given.





The moral of the story is, there are plenty of changes likely to come, but fighting over something that is years away and over which y'all have zero input is really silly, but then I have to remind myself:

Joe Peck
UALFO

Ok, I'll contribute. The Ab has a slightly less cost/seat mile than the 737-800. Besides one AC type can modulate lift based on demand. 124, 150, and 187 seats respectably. A perfect AC for Caribbean and/or C. America. I foresee MIA getting heavy on ABs. Look for a shift in 737s to DFW and ORD and swiftly replace the MDs. 330s to increase Middle East flying prob. more Tel Aviv, and possibly DXB. With E. Europe dest such as Moscow in the cross hairs. The 777s will see re-deployment to Asian markets as they become available. Its a long legged AC, and S. America is somewhat short for its mission. The 767-200 at USA will probably be gone by 2nd or third quarter next year. Its flying replaced with 330s. The 190s will replace much of AEs ORD and DFW medium haul market. Possible new 190 markets FLL to serve Caribbean. SJU,SKB,PUJ, POP, SXM, etc, but only IF FLL can provide viable US Customs service...PHX will most likely replace many short to medium haul markets with the 190. Possibly more 757 flying to augment Hawaii service. And finally ALL USA 737s to leave the inventory by 2nd quarter of 2014..And that is my prediction..

Thxs for your good wishes. Now run along back to Delta and enjoy being no. 3...

Thanks for the info Joe.

As for #1, the point is taken and cacti and I have agreed to take it to the AOL update cesspool where others can easily avoid it. It's easy to slip back into the Nic BS, but I realize the vast majority don't care, other than how it may affect the next SLI as eaglefly mentioned. That point is valid going forward.

Did you guys open bases in the other airlines base? Seems I remember a UA base in IAH and CO base in ORD. That was prohibited by our TA in the US/AWA merger.

Management said that they want to match aircraft to demand here pretty quickly after POR. I think we will see a lot of shifting, we'll see.

Good luck on your SLI.

All sounds reasonable to me.

I think they may want 777s on all LHR routes. AA guys, can you guys fly 4 day Intl trips, like DFW-LHR-CLT-LHR-DFW?

I know they used to do it when my dad retired.. Not sure if they currently still do. It was a 6 day trip though, RDU instead of CLT.

At United, I believe UAL AB are going to IAH, CAL 737s to DEN. Don't know the timeline.

Capt H

At JetBlue.

We got a doozy here! Try making more money as a captain than we make as a 6 year airbus FO and get back to me. ;)