Pilot Age Rule May Change Again
#11
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I'm a fiscal conservative who has voted Democrat the past 2 presidential elections because I can't stand the Tea Party. Above all, I believe in Capitalism and the fact that wealth shouldn't be shared, but given to those who earn it. I would never support a law that was designed to have wealthier people have to retire from their jobs so that poorer people could be entitled to their share of the wealth.
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#14
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In Saudi Arabia, it is illegal to drink alcohol, and is punishable by public lashing. Does that make it acceptable to have this law in a US state?
Should a law be acceptable because there are other places where that law exists, OR should we do what's right? Seems simple to me.
If you have a problem with older people continuing to work and "taking your jobs," then maybe you should move to a Communist country where they share the wealth.
This is how I feel when I hear people talking about this subject:
Southpark - They Took Our Job! - YouTube
Should a law be acceptable because there are other places where that law exists, OR should we do what's right? Seems simple to me.
If you have a problem with older people continuing to work and "taking your jobs," then maybe you should move to a Communist country where they share the wealth.
This is how I feel when I hear people talking about this subject:
Southpark - They Took Our Job! - YouTube
Additionally, it's not the fault of these older pilots; that pay and benefits, have fallen. It was the RJ pilots who negotiated the "B" scale at AA. It's the RJ pilots who continue to fly crappy paying jobs, after they've flown the B777/-400.
If you "all" weren't such mamby-pamby socialists; you'd realize that it's the older flyers that improved air safety in the US and the rest of the world. It was the old guys (i.e. the senior guys!) that demanded and got improved flight time/duty/rest rules; not socialist organizations like ALPA! And that it's the older guys, that will continue to improve pay and benefits throughout the world, by taking low paying B777 captain jobs around the world!
You tell um, iahflyer!
Biggie
P.S. (This does not apply to all the fine leaders and Aviators; that "have" lifted the bar, no matter how old you are!)
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I'm a fiscal conservative who has voted Democrat the past 2 presidential elections because I can't stand the Tea Party. Above all, I believe in Capitalism and the fact that wealth shouldn't be shared, but given to those who earn it. I would never support a law that was designed to have wealthier people have to retire from their jobs so that poorer people could be entitled to their share of the wealth.
Fiscal Conservative? hilarious.. when was the last time we saw one of those in office? Meaning... FC is meaningless.... not real....
I believe in capitalism too... I just think the citizenry should control it.... not corporations....
So then you don't believe in Age 60, 65, 70.... etc...
In other words, pull up the ladder I got mine....
#16
Get rid of the age restriction all together. If you can hold a first class medical, then you should be legal to fly. If you don't believe a first class medical is stringent enough, then up the standards.
This is the only career I can think of where there is blatant age discrimination. For the record, I adequately planned for retirement and plan to retire between 55 and 60, but I cannot stand that some of my friends are being forced out.
This is the only career I can think of where there is blatant age discrimination. For the record, I adequately planned for retirement and plan to retire between 55 and 60, but I cannot stand that some of my friends are being forced out.
PROVIDED that the first class medical requirements change to require an annual cardiac stress test. A resting EKG is about worthless. Put everybody over the age of 60 or 65 on a treadmill and see how well they do and if any EKG anomalies become apparent. If there are no issues, then I have no problem with them continuing to fly provided that they can continue to pass recurrent training within defined limits both physically and mentally.
#17
I personally have no problem with this...
PROVIDED that the first class medical requirements change to require an annual cardiac stress test. A resting EKG is about worthless. Put everybody over the age of 60 or 65 on a treadmill and see how well they do and if any EKG anomalies become apparent. If there are no issues, then I have no problem with them continuing to fly provided that they can continue to pass recurrent training within defined limits both physically and mentally.
PROVIDED that the first class medical requirements change to require an annual cardiac stress test. A resting EKG is about worthless. Put everybody over the age of 60 or 65 on a treadmill and see how well they do and if any EKG anomalies become apparent. If there are no issues, then I have no problem with them continuing to fly provided that they can continue to pass recurrent training within defined limits both physically and mentally.
#18
I personally have no problem with this...
PROVIDED that the first class medical requirements change to require an annual cardiac stress test. A resting EKG is about worthless. Put everybody over the age of 60 or 65 on a treadmill and see how well they do and if any EKG anomalies become apparent. If there are no issues, then I have no problem with them continuing to fly provided that they can continue to pass recurrent training within defined limits both physically and mentally.
PROVIDED that the first class medical requirements change to require an annual cardiac stress test. A resting EKG is about worthless. Put everybody over the age of 60 or 65 on a treadmill and see how well they do and if any EKG anomalies become apparent. If there are no issues, then I have no problem with them continuing to fly provided that they can continue to pass recurrent training within defined limits both physically and mentally.
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I personally have no problem with this...
PROVIDED that the first class medical requirements change to require an annual cardiac stress test. A resting EKG is about worthless. Put everybody over the age of 60 or 65 on a treadmill and see how well they do and if any EKG anomalies become apparent. If there are no issues, then I have no problem with them continuing to fly provided that they can continue to pass recurrent training within defined limits both physically and mentally.
PROVIDED that the first class medical requirements change to require an annual cardiac stress test. A resting EKG is about worthless. Put everybody over the age of 60 or 65 on a treadmill and see how well they do and if any EKG anomalies become apparent. If there are no issues, then I have no problem with them continuing to fly provided that they can continue to pass recurrent training within defined limits both physically and mentally.
I looked at medical stats a few years back, and was struck by how many were medically forced to retire before 60. I expect the age 65 numbers are even worse, even though the new rule accounted for some (but certainly not all) of the hiring stagnation. Raising the age further might not have that great an effect on the youngsters - most sixtiers aren't going to make it medically.
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